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Re: Would you kindly stop spamming me?

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Post by al_gore »

aeberbach wrote: post #6

I am not 100% sure why recruiters are still tolerated in technology positions. It's time for the model to change - maybe engineers should have agents? If an engineer chooses to use an agent they could build a personal relationship with that person, who knows their skills and what they like to do, and avoid wasting time with positions they don't want to know about and are not suited for. Or not - handle job search in…

I don't know if agents would work - they work in movies because you shoot one, then wrap and move on to the next one. An agent can be constantly looking out for new films to work in. Unless you're exclusively seeking short-term contract positions, will you actually communicate with the agent frequently enough to build a relationship? If an agent keeps placing you in companies that either implode or make you want to leave, it doesn't seem appealing to work with them again. If they do place you in a job that you stay at for multiple years, will they be available when you want to move on?

Re: Would you kindly stop spamming me?

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Post by aeberbach »

al_gore wrote: post #11
aeberbach wrote: post #6

I am not 100% sure why recruiters are still tolerated in technology positions. It's time for the model to change - maybe engineers should have agents? If an engineer chooses to use an agent they could build a personal relationship with that person, who knows their skills and what they like to do, and avoid wasting time with positions they don't want to know about and are not suited for. Or not - handle job search in…

I don't know if agents would work - they work in movies because you shoot one, then wrap and move on to the next one. An agent can be constantly looking out for new films to work in. Unless you're exclusively seeking short-term contract positions, will you actually communicate with the agent frequently enough to build a relationship? If an agent keeps placing you in companies that either implode or make you want to l…

I could see it working with the best recruiters, like the few I mentioned. They call every six months or so, ask how things are going and chat about technology, that's fine with me. Sometimes they have something really good to discuss, and if I'm happy where I am then I am always willing to recommend someone I know. Those recruiters are acting like an agent already. They rarely collect a fee but when they do I feel they deserve it, unlike the chancers who harvest phone numbers from web sites and work the percentages.

There doesn't have to be an agent relationship. I guess what I am really saying is that the only recruiters worth talking to are the ones that do the work to find the best fit for both parties. The rest add nothing.

Re: Would you kindly stop spamming me?

#13

Post by parallelist »

TheLoneWolfling wrote: post #4

Slightly off-topic rant. Can someone explain to me why it is necessary to have the entire webpage refuse to render (white page (with scrollbar, "amusingly" enough)) if JS is disabled? As far as I can tell, the entire website is slapped into a series of " Whatever happened to progressive enhancement? Say... Actually using HTML and CSS? Maybe converted from markup on the server, or when the post is created? There are a…

People still care about this? I thought JS was just an accepted requirement of browsing the web these days.

Re: Would you kindly stop spamming me?

#14

Post by pbhjpbhj »

shmageggy wrote: post #9

I had a similar situation occur after taking the GRE exam, after which they ask whether they can share your contact info with interested schools. Of course this sounded like a great idea when I was still deciding where to apply, but it turned into a major annoyance when I'm still receiving spam from these backwoods colleges more than a year after accepting an offer. And like the article, there's no global unsubscribe…

Use a different email address just for the particular promotion then dump it at the end.

Re: Would you kindly stop spamming me?

#15

Post by wpietri »

Allow me to plug tagging addresses when you give them out. The right way depends on your mail server, but if your email address is example@gmail.com, you can give out example+monster.com@gmail.com so that you know who's leaking your address. And when they do, you can set up a filter to junk anything.

This is great even if you have hosted email. But it's even better if you run your own mail server. I now have dozens of sold/leaked/stolen addresses that all feed directly into my spam trainer. Anything sent to the stolen addresses not only gets junked, but helps prevent any other address from getting spammed.

Re: Would you kindly stop spamming me?

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Post by tempestn »

wpietri wrote: post #15

Allow me to plug tagging addresses when you give them out. The right way depends on your mail server, but if your email address is example@gmail.com, you can give out example+monster.com@gmail.com so that you know who's leaking your address. And when they do, you can set up a filter to junk anything. This is great even if you have hosted email. But it's even better if you run your own mail server. I now have dozens o…

I wonder how long until these spammy sites get wise to this (or how many already have) and start stripping off the tag portion of the address.

Re: Would you kindly stop spamming me?

#17

Post by dredmorbius »

wpietri wrote: post #15

Allow me to plug tagging addresses when you give them out. The right way depends on your mail server, but if your email address is example@gmail.com, you can give out example+monster.com@gmail.com so that you know who's leaking your address. And when they do, you can set up a filter to junk anything. This is great even if you have hosted email. But it's even better if you run your own mail server. I now have dozens o…

Numerous email systems refuse to accept "+" as a valid email address character.

Increasingly, I simply use mailinator for throwaways (and, of course, don't provide personal information).

Re: Would you kindly stop spamming me?

#18

Post by dredmorbius »

TheLoneWolfling wrote: post #4

Slightly off-topic rant. Can someone explain to me why it is necessary to have the entire webpage refuse to render (white page (with scrollbar, "amusingly" enough)) if JS is disabled? As far as I can tell, the entire website is slapped into a series of " Whatever happened to progressive enhancement? Say... Actually using HTML and CSS? Maybe converted from markup on the server, or when the post is created? There are a…

This absolutely. I flag such submissions (this one included).

Re: Would you kindly stop spamming me?

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Post by techsupporter »

wpietri wrote: post #15

Allow me to plug tagging addresses when you give them out. The right way depends on your mail server, but if your email address is example@gmail.com, you can give out example+monster.com@gmail.com so that you know who's leaking your address. And when they do, you can set up a filter to junk anything. This is great even if you have hosted email. But it's even better if you run your own mail server. I now have dozens o…

The problem is that it is trivial to delete anything after (and including) the + from an e-mail address. I've had this happen when trying to use this approach.

What I do instead is this: I have a subdomain of my regular domain, say "me.example.com." That subdomain is a catch-all; anything sent to it goes to my regular account at "example.com," though I have a Sieve rule to filter those messages to their own folder. Companies and so forth get addresses like companyname@me.example.com or, if I'm giving one in person, myname3@me.example.com so it doesn't seem odd.

At that point, they can't tell the difference between that being a tagged address or not, so the entire address has to be sent untouched. I can then do whatever I like with it, namely trashing the message in a rule. Using a subdomain is preferable for keeping the generic spam down since those aren't as easily discovered.

Re: Would you kindly stop spamming me?

#20

Post by jawns »

tempestn wrote: post #16
wpietri wrote: post #15

Allow me to plug tagging addresses when you give them out. The right way depends on your mail server, but if your email address is example@gmail.com, you can give out example+monster.com@gmail.com so that you know who's leaking your address. And when they do, you can set up a filter to junk anything. This is great even if you have hosted email. But it's even better if you run your own mail server. I now have dozens o…

I wonder how long until these spammy sites get wise to this (or how many already have) and start stripping off the tag portion of the address.

Assuming you run your own mail server, you don't necessarily have to use the +tag. You could use any schema you want. For instance, you might give out the address me.1408@yourdomain.com, which automatically expires in August 2014 (after which any mail sent to that address gets nuked).
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