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Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by slantyyz »

mikerg87 wrote: post #46

Small things continue to kill the surface pro acceptance: - The Surface site on the surface site hasn't updated with surface pro 3 info/pricing. The run way for this is long, why isn't the site updated or ready to go? - Accessories are notoriously out of stock. Why are they hard to get? Docking station, keyboards, mice. Fix that. - The dock has 10/100 Ethernet. In 2013-2014? Why? - Updates for firmware and drivers as…

- Accessories are notoriously out of stock. Why are they hard to get? Docking station, keyboards, mice. Fix that.

This is indeed painful. Every time I check the Canadian MS Store site, the Power Cover is out of stock.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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iandanforth wrote: post #104

Warning, rant. Why the duck isn't there information on the Surface Pro 3 on the MS website? Apple has done this so well, for so long, I am pissed-off MS can't get its act together. You make an announcement, you need presence on the web. You need to start your customers expectations building, whet their appetite, and tease them. Their experience starts now and right now that experience is reading news articles and rea…

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Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by pierrebai »

mrjatx wrote: post #97
pjmlp wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Properties -> Settings -> Layout -> change res -> Save. I never understood why some people make such a big fuss out of it.

Because some of us have to deal with hundreds/thousands of servers. Lots of Windows boxes without Chef/Puppet bootstrapping them is a miserable experience. I don't know how many times I've disabled IEESC and made cmd quickedit enabled in my life just to be able to use the box (prior to doing it via bootstrapping).

Let me enlighten you then. Just create a shortcut to the cmd prompt, change the settings in the shortcut and keep a copy of that shortcut. The seetings for teh command prompt are saved in the shortcut. Now you just have to go around with it on your USB key and double-click on it to have a command-prompt with all your settings already done.

You can thank me later.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by vondur »

While the device is nice, I still see it as very niche-y item. It's too expensive once you add in a more reasonable amount of storage and the keyboard. For those who benefit from the stylus, I can totally see it being a really useful device. I don't think it will fare any better than the previous iterations.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by slantyyz »

joshstrange wrote: post #107
Nerdfest wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strange, I think it's the opposite. That's a lot of money for an i3 with little memory. It's cheap next to a MacBook Air perhaps, but still quite expensive.

MacBook Air base model ($900): * 1.4GHz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor * Turbo Boost up to 2.7GHz * Intel HD Graphics 5000 * 4GB memory * 128GB PCIe-based flash storage The base Surface is cheaper than the Air but the second tier Surface (The one with more or less parity) is $100 more than the Air.

Don't forget that with the Surface, you're also paying a premium for the touchscreen and digitizer with pen, which is not available on an MBA.

Edit-- removed the word "Wacom", turned out to be a false assumption.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by nivla »

agscala wrote: post #8

This sure is a bummer for people who recently bought a Surface Pro 2 (like me). It's unreal that a 6-month old $1200 machine already is outdated

Ha I am on my first gen Surface, still within its original warranty and there is already two versions out. A a techie it sure is a bummer since I want the latest and the greatest. However, it still doesn't undermine the usefulness of the current one. I regularly use it, it gets the job done and I am happy with it. I will keep using it until it dies out or needs a replacement. Hey atleast by then we might have ultra thin i20 with 1 week of battery life (hopefully).

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by bigdubs »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #157

I would love to see Microsoft come out with Windows/Developer which targeted people who were creating applications rather take existing Windows, which focusses on the big market of App users, and bolting on some developerness. I could imagine something like CTRL-Alt-F4 on Linux where you press the key combo and the Windows/Apps view is replaced with the Windows/Develop view. Easy access to terminal screens, build too…

Win+D is the desktop shortcut. I know you were talking more about a general OS paradigm but you can get pretty close.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by mattkevan »

Nerdfest wrote: post #60
ggreer wrote: post #50

That's a really nice piece of hardware. I've used MacBook Airs since 2010, but the Surface 3 looks to be strictly dominating in the hardware department. Unfortunately, I don't think Microsoft will convert many OS X devs unless they make some changes to their software. One of the advantages of OS X is that it's a Unix, and lots of Unix software runs on it. It's not hard to compile tools such as nmap, Vim, or steam loc…

Microsoft, like Apple, wants you to only be able to use their products, so there's a very low probability of them releasing a Unix version. Both Apple and MS would actively stop people from installing Linux on their hardware if they could get away with it.

That's not the case. Microsoft make their money selling software, Apple, hardware. Once Apple have got your money for the device they don't care what you run on it. See Bootcamp.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by slantyyz »

TheAnimus wrote: post #108
mikerg87 wrote: post #46

Small things continue to kill the surface pro acceptance: - The Surface site on the surface site hasn't updated with surface pro 3 info/pricing. The run way for this is long, why isn't the site updated or ready to go? - Accessories are notoriously out of stock. Why are they hard to get? Docking station, keyboards, mice. Fix that. - The dock has 10/100 Ethernet. In 2013-2014? Why? - Updates for firmware and drivers as…

>The run way for this is long, why isn't the site updated or ready to go? I don't think that's a big problem. > The dock has 10/100 Ethernet. In 2013-2014? Why? Dog slow as well, I suspect it's USB! > Updates for firmware and drivers assume enterprise infrastructure. Not my experience at all, windows update did all my driver updates and at least one firmware update too. > The track pad on the type/touch cover is flak…

>> The dock has 10/100 Ethernet. In 2013-2014? Why? > Dog slow as well, I suspect it's USB!

The weird thing is that the dock has USB 3 ports, which can easily support a GB LAN connection. I was going to buy one for my Surface Pro (gen1) until I saw that it was 10/100. You're better off buying something like a Plugable (plugable.com) USB 3 dock.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Post by dgarrett »

iaskwhy wrote: post #148

For reference: Surface Pro 3: 12" @ 2160x1440 => 216 PPI MacBook Air 11": 11.6" @ 1366x768 => 135 PPI MacBook Air 13": 13.3" @ 1440x900 => 128 PPI MacBook Pro 13" (Retina): 13.3" @ 2560x1600 => 227 PPI (Rumor) MacBook Air 12" (Retina): 12" @ 2304x1440 => 226 PPI

Don't forget the horrors of Windows high DPI scaling.

Poor, blurry Google Chrome.

Edit: I was inspired to look into it a little more, and it looks like Chrome does have high-DPI support: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/chrom...

It has to be enabled by a registry key and seems to break Chrome's notification tray icon.

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