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Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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The anandtech live blog says it's 20% better than surface pro 2.

What version are they testing though, the Core i3? What is the Core i7 battery life I wonder...

Idle power consumption of Cores is about the same.

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That's a really nice piece of hardware. I've used MacBook Airs since 2010, but the Surface 3 looks to be strictly dominating in the hardware department. Unfortunately, I don't think Microsoft will convert many OS X devs unless they make some changes to their software. One of the advantages of OS X is that it's a Unix, and lots of Unix software runs on it. It's not hard to compile tools such as nmap, Vim, or steam loc…

Mac OS X being UNIX compatible only matters for command line and daemons stuff, everything else is Cocoa. In terms of architecture, Windows is a VMS descendent and although there have been multiple UNIX compatibility layers, both from Microsoft and third parties, very few people really cared about it. As of Windows 8, Microsoft killed their own implementation and is pointing people to Cygwin.

> Mac OS X being UNIX compatible only matters for command line and daemons stuff

Not really. It's much easier to port Unix-native applications to a Mac than it is to port them to Windows. Most of the time, everything just seamlessly compiles on OSX (even if they may need X to run). Also, being "closer" to the environment the app will actually run is a great feature.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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That's a really nice piece of hardware. I've used MacBook Airs since 2010, but the Surface 3 looks to be strictly dominating in the hardware department. Unfortunately, I don't think Microsoft will convert many OS X devs unless they make some changes to their software. One of the advantages of OS X is that it's a Unix, and lots of Unix software runs on it. It's not hard to compile tools such as nmap, Vim, or steam loc…

Mac OS X being UNIX compatible only matters for command line and daemons stuff, everything else is Cocoa. In terms of architecture, Windows is a VMS descendent and although there have been multiple UNIX compatibility layers, both from Microsoft and third parties, very few people really cared about it. As of Windows 8, Microsoft killed their own implementation and is pointing people to Cygwin.

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I'm rooting for MS. My (not so serious) test for windows is simple: the day I can resize dos command prompt as easily as terminal windows on linux/osx is the day Microsoft I need to seriously consider going back to windows :)

Properties -> Settings -> Layout -> change res -> Save. I never understood why some people make such a big fuss out of it.

Because that is a huge fuss to do what practically every other app can easily do by dragging the border, including other windows apps.

Sometimes you need to change your prompt to be a different size and an annoying 5 step thing is a big fuss

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I'm rooting for MS. My (not so serious) test for windows is simple: the day I can resize dos command prompt as easily as terminal windows on linux/osx is the day Microsoft I need to seriously consider going back to windows :)

I know you're not being serious, but there are some other terminal apps that are better than the basic DOS prompt. Check out ConEmu, for example. Now, once you've got ConEmu or something like it that will resize nicely and do other things, you'll still be stuck on the crappy DOS-style prompt though. :)

Also checkout Cmder (http://bliker.github.io/cmder/) for a pre-customised ConEmu that bundles several useful UNIX commands. Plus ConEmu supports Quake-style dropdown that has radically improved my work-flow on Windows.

Also Powershell is pretty awesome if you take the time out to learn it.

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I'm rooting for MS. My (not so serious) test for windows is simple: the day I can resize dos command prompt as easily as terminal windows on linux/osx is the day Microsoft I need to seriously consider going back to windows :)

Properties -> Settings -> Layout -> change res -> Save. I never understood why some people make such a big fuss out of it.

Because some of us have to deal with hundreds/thousands of servers. Lots of Windows boxes without Chef/Puppet bootstrapping them is a miserable experience. I don't know how many times I've disabled IEESC and made cmd quickedit enabled in my life just to be able to use the box (prior to doing it via bootstrapping).

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What version are they testing though, the Core i3? What is the Core i7 battery life I wonder...

Idle power consumption of Cores is about the same.

I really hope a real world battery test isn't just checking stuff at idle.

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They've kind of killed this whole angle of "Surface is for getting work done" after they hedged by releasing Office on iPad.

I think that really speaks to Microsoft's new direction though. It's funny, because it used to be that everything Microsoft did was in furtherance of the 'Windows über alles' philosophy, that Microsoft can only win if everyone else loses. Within that philosophy, though, there was no direction. You drank the kool-aid, and then your team just did whatever; see the famous example of the Office manager hating the idea of…

Well, the iPad owns the tablet app world, Microsoft didn't have much choice. When [/if] Office is released for many of the differing O/S and hardware versions of Android, I'll agree your description have a point.

Edit: Close enough, dragonwriter. I yield the point. (I should have known about this. Also, why is there such a lack of optimized pad sized apps for Android? The phone ones I've seen weren't exactly using the screen area well.)

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