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Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by dublinben »

malandrew wrote: post #32
pavlov wrote: post #28

Nothing seems to work right in touch IE11 on Windows 8.1, not even scrolling on the front page. Not a great showing for what's supposed to be a cross-platform mobile web framework.

FWIW, preserve-3D is not yet supported in IE11, even after the Windows 8.1 update. AFAIK there is no clear ETA on when preserve-3d support will land in Internet Explorer. My best guess would be in IE12. That being said, Famo.us currently works best on mobile devices, which nets you all of the iOS ecosystem and large portions of the Android ecosystem. Is it everyone? No. Is it a big market? Yes. Will it get bigger? Ye…

>Famo.us currently works best on mobile devices

Since it barely works at all on desktop, this might still be completely true. I'm curious what mobile devices you actually tested this on though, based on the reactions of users here.

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by rhubarbquid »

malandrew wrote: post #50
joaren wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find myself agreeing with most of what you wrote, and yet, it doesn't matter. You keep sabotaging yourselves. Does no-one do QA? Do you not have a Steve Jobs-esque character who has taste and an eye for detail and who can look at this stuff the way your users will? Because such a person would've looked at this and Noped the fuck out of there, cancelled whatever PR you had planned, and put everyone around a table sa…

What's the lesser of two evils? 1) Launch an imperfect product that works well for some use cases; or 2) Perfect everything and be ridiculed as vaporware I wish we were Apple and had $159 billion in cash reserves. We're not though and have to operate within different constraints that don't afford us the same luxuries. You can't really compare Apples to Famo.uses

> I wish we were Apple and had $159 billion in cash reserves.

Apple went from near bankruptcy to that $159 billion by sweating the details. (and, I suspect, a certain amount of luck)

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by null_ptr »

All these overbearing JavaScript frameworks solve problems nobody has. Web design is trivial, all you're doing is bloating it and making it less accessible by replacing native GUI elements (like scrollbars) with our own confusing, low-performance solutions. I see more and more bad habits from 15 years ago come back to hunt the web, how did it come to this?

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by dragonwriter »

malandrew wrote: post #50
joaren wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find myself agreeing with most of what you wrote, and yet, it doesn't matter. You keep sabotaging yourselves. Does no-one do QA? Do you not have a Steve Jobs-esque character who has taste and an eye for detail and who can look at this stuff the way your users will? Because such a person would've looked at this and Noped the fuck out of there, cancelled whatever PR you had planned, and put everyone around a table sa…

What's the lesser of two evils? 1) Launch an imperfect product that works well for some use cases; or 2) Perfect everything and be ridiculed as vaporware I wish we were Apple and had $159 billion in cash reserves. We're not though and have to operate within different constraints that don't afford us the same luxuries. You can't really compare Apples to Famo.uses

What use cases is this good for? It seems to be fundamentally broken on both desktop and mobile for even basic functionality. There's something that solves only some very narrow provide problem better than existing solutions; that offers clear, if niche, value. But I don't see how this rises to that level.

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by malandrew »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #59
malandrew wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the lesser of two evils? 1) Launch an imperfect product that works well for some use cases; or 2) Perfect everything and be ridiculed as vaporware I wish we were Apple and had $159 billion in cash reserves. We're not though and have to operate within different constraints that don't afford us the same luxuries. You can't really compare Apples to Famo.uses

Don't sweat it, I recall Meteor went through the same thing way back when - cool core technology, no security or other practical considerations - and look at them now, $11.2M Series A from A16Z. You can never have too many JS frameworks doing cool new stuff pushing the limits on what's possible on the web, launch warts notwithstanding.

Thank you for your comment. It refreshing (not because it involves my company (although that helps), but because it sets the right tone for the community). Encouragement with constructive criticism combined results in greater good.

TBH I'm not sweating it at all. I understand the criticism. Some of it is fair commentary from thoughtful people, some is typical cynicism that blinds the otherwise intelligent. At the end of the day, the only difference between a bug report and a rant is the tone of voice used to communicate.

I'm mainly trying to provide counterpoint so that others who have yet to make up their own mind have the opportunity to do so. Many discussions can often get trapped moving in the direction in which they start. Get of on the right foot and things evolve excessively positive without constructive criticism. Get off on the wrong foot and things spiral out of control into doom and gloom. Regardless of which way it goes, doing a reality check lets the conversation focus on criticisms that actually have merit instead of the devolving into the mutual admiration society or a grand hate parade.

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by cnp »

nevir wrote: post #55
malandrew wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the lesser of two evils? 1) Launch an imperfect product that works well for some use cases; or 2) Perfect everything and be ridiculed as vaporware I wish we were Apple and had $159 billion in cash reserves. We're not though and have to operate within different constraints that don't afford us the same luxuries. You can't really compare Apples to Famo.uses

...or 3) Launch a product that is polished, but lacks some features.

Right here guys, right here. Lots of very real monetary lessons to be learned from the above

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by malandrew »

dragonwriter wrote: post #57
malandrew wrote: post #48

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FWIW, KitKat isn't on the list of versions we support. We target Ice Cream Sandwich and above. Also, are you using the stock Android browser or did you install Chrome? The problem isn't with that device isn't Famo.us, and IIRC it's not the hardware either, it's the implementation of the APIs we rely on in the browser. Many people replace their mobile phones every 1-3 years. Now that smartphones are becoming feature p…

> FWIW, KitKat isn't on the list of versions we support. We target Ice Cream Sandwich and above. Since when is KitKat (4.4) not "above" Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0)? > Also, are you using the stock Android browser or did you install Chrome? Well, I said Chrome, but the problems (at least, the ones listed in my previous post) are identical in the stock browser. > Many people replace their mobile phones every 1-3 years. We…

Oops .. total brain fart on my part. Did the alphabet wrong in my head. I always felt more comfortable using numbers for versioning. Letters always require a little bit of mental gymnastics since it's uncommon to think of them as having ordinality in every day life.

Yes, we support KitKat. We'll investigate the experience on your device.

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by bottled_poe »

icelancer wrote: post #79
malandrew wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the lesser of two evils? 1) Launch an imperfect product that works well for some use cases; or 2) Perfect everything and be ridiculed as vaporware I wish we were Apple and had $159 billion in cash reserves. We're not though and have to operate within different constraints that don't afford us the same luxuries. You can't really compare Apples to Famo.uses

>1) Launch an imperfect product that works well for some use cases; or I absolutely loathe this attitude that has taken over entrepreneurship. This is not OK. I don't give a shit what the Lean Theory zealots say.

When the goal is to get rich, every bit of work has a dollar figure.

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by nevster »

icelancer wrote: post #79
malandrew wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the lesser of two evils? 1) Launch an imperfect product that works well for some use cases; or 2) Perfect everything and be ridiculed as vaporware I wish we were Apple and had $159 billion in cash reserves. We're not though and have to operate within different constraints that don't afford us the same luxuries. You can't really compare Apples to Famo.uses

>1) Launch an imperfect product that works well for some use cases; or I absolutely loathe this attitude that has taken over entrepreneurship. This is not OK. I don't give a shit what the Lean Theory zealots say.

I agree but add that it's not lean. Being lean means having reduced functionality but the bits that you do launch should work well. In this case, the launched bits don't work well.
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