Just trying to read that site stressed me out. So they failed before they even got started.
Muse: the brain sensing headband
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#42Just trying to read that site stressed me out. So they failed before they even got started.
Came here to say the same thing. Background colors and text changing without interaction and unpredictable consequences of navigation actions makes for quite the stressful experience.
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#43I'm glad it wraps around the front of the head. It's an amazing visual clue to everyone else that this is the type of person you want to avoid a conversation with.
Funny comment but completely out of context since this is not something you're supposed to wear in public.
So the picture of the one woman laughing is not having a conversation with anyone, but actually having a psychotic episode?
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#44I wonder when the first real such product will exist. Like any system that synchronizes by waves it can be modified by waves, probably much more than you'd be able to do through chemicals. So who will make the first heroine headband ? It will probably need outputs as well as inputs though.
It seems to just be a biofeedback device. It tells you when you are experiencing the right brain wave pattern so that you're consciously aware of it, but you have to do the work of meditating to alter the state.
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#45A $300 consumer product that promises to help one be more "mindful" & "present" more "efficiently" than plain old meditation. What is sad is the irony in all of this. What's sadder is that I want to buy it... Might be brilliant on their part. Corporate consultant gurus are making quite a nickel telling execs to be more "mindful" & "present". Might be an opportune time to break into the market and displace some spirit…
Two things: 1) A recently discovered very strong correlation (needs further longitudinal study) between mindfulness practice and a reduced decline in mental performance with age. http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnagi.2014.00... 2) I had a demo -- the device is actually very responsive and seems to really work. The science (not conclusive but interesting) behind it is a well known correlation with medit…
I have been doing zazen meditation as 2-3 hours per day for 10+ years.
The way I see it, mindfulness practices and meditation gives long term effects because you are doing the effort yourself. It's not the mental state you are in during the meditation that brings the long term benefits. What works is your constant effort to look at your mind and notice what it does, even when you are distracted or feel vexed and especially then.
When you do 7 day zazen retreat where you meditate 10-16 hours per day, you feel pain in your legs, periods of intense drowsiness, agitation, strong emotions, boredom, etc. all this while sitting and looking calm outwards. Within all this internal storm you are just looking at what happens your own mind at the current moment. Attaching yourself to pleasant mental states you get in meditation is just waste of time.
The way these EEG devices work is by giving you feedback loop that gets you into relaxed state. That's not same as meditation. It can have good effects, but it's not the same.
One person drives with car 10 km every day and other person runs 10 km every day. The amount they travel correlates very closely, but only one person gets exercise.
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#46I wonder if someone with migraine somehow could benefit from such a device/training.
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#47A $300 consumer product that promises to help one be more "mindful" & "present" more "efficiently" than plain old meditation. What is sad is the irony in all of this. What's sadder is that I want to buy it... Might be brilliant on their part. Corporate consultant gurus are making quite a nickel telling execs to be more "mindful" & "present". Might be an opportune time to break into the market and displace some spirit…
Having done some small experiments with EEG I'm wary of these consumer devices (have seen 'performance improving' gaming gear too), mostly work with muscles etc. This doesn't claim EEG that I can see though so... who knows? (EDIT: just saw EEG details, if they can get a clean signal without using conductive gel fair play to them, I would love to hear how because that is an achievement!) As an aside a friend once desc…
I agree. EEG signals are buried within layers of much stronger artifacts.
I'm relatively sure that this device just notices when you you relax your face and forehead muscles. That's good indicator of your relaxation.
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#48Ahh, was hoping it was a device that delivered minimal tDCS. Does such a device exist? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_direct-current_sti...
http://www.foc.us/ Foc.us does. I have one. Works well. EDIT: Downvoted for providing a link? I don't work for Foc.us or anything.
It's target market seem to be gamers, but I was just wondering are there any other positive effects that a software engineer would benefit from, besides memory?
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Two things: 1) A recently discovered very strong correlation (needs further longitudinal study) between mindfulness practice and a reduced decline in mental performance with age. http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnagi.2014.00... 2) I had a demo -- the device is actually very responsive and seems to really work. The science (not conclusive but interesting) behind it is a well known correlation with medit…
I have been doing zazen meditation as 2-3 hours per day for 10+ years. The way I see it, mindfulness practices and meditation gives long term effects because you are doing the effort yourself. It's not the mental state you are in during the meditation that brings the long term benefits. What works is your constant effort to look at your mind and notice what it does, even when you are distracted or feel vexed and espe…
But meditating for 2-3 hours PER DAY seems a bit excessive, no?
Then meditating for 10-16 hours per days seems really excessive.
It's almost like you're saying, these people who meditate, they don't really meditate, they just pay lip service. To meditate you have to be dedicated and spend 2-3 hours per day doing it if you're going to it correctly.
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#50The tagline (the brain sensing headband) is hilarious, I'd love to see the app just respond Yes or No when a person puts the headband on ;)