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Re: Everyone Deserves Great Design

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Post by muuh-gnu » Sun, May 18, 2014, 6:32 PM UTC

PavlovsCat wrote: post #35

muuh-gnu wrote: post #30

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> in this conversation you are one of the extremists. It is extremism if and only if refusing to negotiate with muggers also is extremism. > trying to frame it as the world threatened by the sword of communism Whether the world at whole is threatened or not I dont know (people seem to survive in North Korea), but leftists like you certainly threaten my income and my freedom. If you scheme to force me to give a part o…

> your argument (communism is good, so gimme your stuff) is too nonsensical Can you quote that argument actually made by anyone in the thread you are responding to? > you seem to be more preoccupied with labeling your opponents Your own post jumped immediately "distrusting capitalism", "social workers" and "allocating resources fairly" to "communism" and "muggers", so I think it's fair to say you're projecting. And i…

> Can you quote that argument actually made by anyone in the thread you are responding to?

I can quote you quoting David Simon: "This is about sharing."

If "sharing" implies forcibly mugging those people who do not _want_ to share --and it of course does-- is is just an euphemism for outright communism.

Re: Everyone Deserves Great Design

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Post by PavlovsCat » Mon, May 19, 2014, 6:34 AM UTC

muuh-gnu wrote: post #41

PavlovsCat wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your argument (communism is good, so gimme your stuff) is too nonsensical Can you quote that argument actually made by anyone in the thread you are responding to? > you seem to be more preoccupied with labeling your opponents Your own post jumped immediately "distrusting capitalism", "social workers" and "allocating resources fairly" to "communism" and "muggers", so I think it's fair to say you're projecting. And i…

> Can you quote that argument actually made by anyone in the thread you are responding to? I can quote you quoting David Simon: "This is about sharing." If "sharing" implies forcibly mugging those people who do not _want_ to share --and it of course does-- is is just an euphemism for outright communism.

> I can quote you quoting David Simon: "This is about sharing."

So you magically knew I would post that?

> If "sharing" implies forcibly mugging those people

Yeah, IF. A mighty huge if. I wonder how it can be so huge... is it filled with straw perhaps?

Re: Everyone Deserves Great Design

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Post by DanBC » Tue, May 20, 2014, 8:23 AM UTC

hgh wrote: post #40

DanBC wrote: post #10

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The commerci product coca cola has massive market reach. So much so that live saving and very cheap oral rehydration salts were being put in the same cartons as coca cola as a method of delivery with specialliy designed boxes that fit between the bottles. http://allafrica.com/view/group/main/main/id/00028535.html > NAIROBI, 2 March 2012 (IRIN) - How is it that the world's most popular fizzy drink reaches even the far…

Two points, one on the project you mention and one on the article.. I worked on the Colalife project in Zambia via Zoona, a mobile payments company, and it's worth understanding how distribution of the product actually evolved. Coke has enormous distribution into the farthest reaches of rural Zambia because there is enormous demand for the product, which Coke has achieved by its excellent marketing and a smart distri…

Thank you for the extra information!

Re: Everyone Deserves Great Design

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Post by eevilspock » Thu, May 22, 2014, 4:11 PM UTC

muuh-gnu wrote: post #25

rm445 wrote: post #20

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You'll find it disturbing if you fundamentally distrust capitalism. It's true many social workers tend that way. We won't settle anything in this discussion: it's fundamental to the left-right divide. One side thinks that it's vital to allocate resources fairly, and this can be done efficiently if only people would be good enough. The other side thinks that market forces are the only way we know to allocate resources…

> One side thinks that it's vital to allocate resources fairly It is actually capitalism that thinks that it is vital to allocate resources fairly. Communists, on the other hand, think that resources should be allocated _equally_ with no regard to fairness. "To each according to his need." > this can be done efficiently if only people would be good enough. And until people get good enough, which in reality will never…

I could label capitalists as muggers just as easily as you label socialists. Let's have a reasoned and honest debate instead.

Seems to me a libertarian of the Ayn Rand variety. Your splitting the world into capitalist and communist zones (as if those were the only two options!) as well as your use of the terms "makers" and "takers" are right out of Atlas Shrugged.

Can you answer me one question: Are you a real libertarian, or a royal libertarian?[1] Read the referenced article and then tell me where you stand with respect to land as private property?

[1] http://geolib.com/essays/sullivan.dan/royallib.html