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Always Hungry? Here’s Why

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Re: Always Hungry? Here’s Why

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All those theories ignore the epigentics part ob obesity.

One of the main factors are what did your mother eat, when she was before puberty, and what did you eat before puberty.

Children of immigrants are often fat, because their mothers came from a culture where food was scare but natural, and they now grow up in in a culture where food is cheap and contains lots of sugar. The epigentics now cause that they will store the sugar into fat, whenever available. Grand children of immigrants are often thin again. Because their parents already grown up in a culture where food was cheap.

So there are only a few things one could do:

1st - try to keep your children thin. Let them make sport, let them drive bicycle to school, and do not drive them by car. Avoid sugar, especially fructose.

2nd - its to late, once you left puberty. Only a hormone change could change weight. Women get a 2nd chance to get thin when pregnant or during menopause. But they normally get fatter.

3rd - So just try to live with your weight. Start a sport where weight is good, e.g. sailing. Every sailor is always searching for fat crew, as self loading ballast on the rail. Even if sailing does not feel like sport, you burn lots of calories by moving your body to balance the waves. You learn to move your fat fast, and to balance yourself, even with high weight. A few years sailing might only cause 10lbs of weight loss, but the health benefit is much bigger then just the weight loss. And the self esteem gains a lot, regardless if you win a race, or only sail recreational.

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You are assuming that the average person is a weight lifter like yourself. Most people aren't, most people get very little structured exercise. The truth of the matter is that most people don't have the time to go throw 45's around a gym for an hour a few times a week, and that diet and metabolism are the two main factors in a persons weight. Edit: Also, most people aren't eating 3500 calories a day. They are probabl…

I haven't changed my exercise routine, so my total energy expenditure has not changed. Cutting calories is just as difficult for me as it is for anyone else I am not sure how common insulin resistance is, but given that it is a metabolic disorder, I don't think you can draw general conclusions about metabolism from those individuals.

I never claimed that you did change your exercise routine but that has nothing to do with anything that I said. Again, most people don't have 1500 calories that they can cut from their diet. If they did cut that much, it is more likely to put their body in starvation mode, which is bad. For people that are overweight, what we want is the body to be in ketogenesis, that is, breaking down fat in order to provide calories.

Also insulin resistance is the precursor to diabetes, considering that America is currently suffering from rising levels of diabetes, I am comfortable saying that insulin resistance is fairly common (as in, you know someone that is insulin resistant).

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People who say "just eat less" aren't thinking like engineers. Engineers don't get to ignore the wrenches thrown into the works by reality. If seemingly simple advice fails for almost everyone, then the advice is flawed and someone thinking like an engineer has to figure out how to work around those flaws. I don't know if low-carb diets are the full solution, but I think they're at least part of the solution. Avoidin…

The advice is sound. You get fat from the stuff that goes in your piehole. Stop putting so much stuff in there. The flaw is not in the argument. The flaw is in the people. THAT's thinking like an Engineer.

> THAT's thinking like an Engineer.

I don't know what sort of shitty engineers you hang out with. Blaming users is not an option for engineers who design cars or airplanes or buildings. If 75% of pilots push the wrong button, the pilots aren't shitty, your cockpit design is shitty.

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Everyone wants to be told that it isn't their fault that bad things have happened. Its a pernicious, harmful urge most often on display in courtrooms and discussions on weight and diet. Unfortunately reality is what it is: if you eat without consideration and control in this modern world of low-cost calories, then you will get fat. Accepting and acknowledging that you are 100% accountable as to what and how much you…

This argument can really be filed under the "I want to wash my hands of the whole affair by stating fat people simply should eat less and it's all their fault" Obesity rates have soared. Inquisitive minds want to know what is driving that change? It appears to be more than simply "oh a whole new generation just doesn't have the will power of people as recently as 20 or 25 years ago" As this article points out people…

The reason that Americans are fat include never walking anywhere but always using their cars; and drinking huge amounts of sugared water.

http://imgur.com/9Xa92tr

http://imgur.com/mUJsbPu

http://imgur.com/GxgrGWg

Experts have never said "eat bread" or "eat pasta" to people dieting. Are you mistaking "expert advice" for "populist nonsense"? You wouldn't be alone. Every single HN thread about nutrition contains fucking awful pseudo-scientific nonsense supported by anecdote with no actual science anywhere.

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Just a random "obvious" comment but..

I've lost some weight recently by cutting my intake. My inspiration was my sister who used to be 5'2" and 260lbs but is now ~130lbs. She got her stomach stapled and for some number of months was on a 500 calorie a day diet. (I don't recommend that)

Anyway, seeing that and reading things here on HN about how calorie restriction has an order of magnitude more effect than exercise (which I do) I decided to try to eat ~1500 calories a day for a while.

It's surprisingly HARD because of how little food that is.

They way people eat in the USA, it's crazy how large the portions are. I'm in Japan where the portions are smaller but, calories are labeled on most things and even with small portions it's amazing to me just how little I can eat and stay under 2000 a day let alone 1500 a day.

A "small" Japanese convenience store style sandwich is 300 calories. Those are probably only 60% the size of the smallest sandwich I'd see in the USA. Pretty much any small Japanese pastry, donut, thing made with bread is 300-500 calories. Again those are at least 30% smaller than their USA counterparts.

Soda, Fruit juice, coffee with sugar, etc, all around 140 calories for 12oz.

Potato-chips or fries or a sugary snack? Forget about it!

The point is, it wasn't until I actually tried seriously looking at my calorie intake that I realized how many calories I was consuming. A small lunch, a medium dinner and a snack and I'm over 2000 calories easily. There's no way I could fit any kind of "normal" breakfast in that routine and still fit in 1500-2000 calories.

Anyway, I guess like I said that's kind of obvious but for whatever reason it wasn't to me until I actually started paying attention. As for being hungry all the time, yea, because of 48+ years of eating way too much my idea of what a meal should be or how much I should eat to feel like I've done more than just had a snack is seriously out of whack.

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The advice is sound. You get fat from the stuff that goes in your piehole. Stop putting so much stuff in there. The flaw is not in the argument. The flaw is in the people. THAT's thinking like an Engineer.

> The flaw is in the people. Reminds me of a story (no idea about historical accuracy): When the chief propagandist of the UDSSR was invited to a scientific conference he talked about all the positive effects of socialism, how it will solve all problems and so on. When his talk was finished the scientists unsurprisingly questioned him about his talk, because of all the prominent problems with socialism. His answer wa…

I read the grandparent as being a parody of how the stereotypical engineer thinks. Poe's law in action?

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There seems to be a pervasive unwillingness to understand the nature of positive feedback cycles, and instead we're just continually hearing "fat because of intake" and "intake because of fat" arguments that try to fall on an extreme interpretation of simplified causality. This article belongs to the very few that actually do a job of describing a feedback cycle, but then it falls short and does the popular simplific…

There's a wealth of information on ketogenic (low to no carb) diets: http://www.reddit.com/r/keto Everyone serious about this understands that carbs are the problem.

Also, most people have no idea the type and variety of foods you can continue to eat while on an extreme low carb diet:

http://www.reddit.com/r/ketorecipes/top/

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't changed my exercise routine, so my total energy expenditure has not changed. Cutting calories is just as difficult for me as it is for anyone else I am not sure how common insulin resistance is, but given that it is a metabolic disorder, I don't think you can draw general conclusions about metabolism from those individuals.

I never claimed that you did change your exercise routine but that has nothing to do with anything that I said. Again, most people don't have 1500 calories that they can cut from their diet. If they did cut that much, it is more likely to put their body in starvation mode, which is bad. For people that are overweight, what we want is the body to be in ketogenesis, that is, breaking down fat in order to provide calori…

How many extra calories does ketosis burn? I've read that it's only about 300 per day.

Again - I suspect that most low carb diets work because you're eating less calories. Mainly because people don't realise how many calories there are in carbohydrates.

Re: Always Hungry? Here’s Why

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Just a random "obvious" comment but.. I've lost some weight recently by cutting my intake. My inspiration was my sister who used to be 5'2" and 260lbs but is now ~130lbs. She got her stomach stapled and for some number of months was on a 500 calorie a day diet. (I don't recommend that) Anyway, seeing that and reading things here on HN about how calorie restriction has an order of magnitude more effect than exercise (…

Informative: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-200-calories-look-like.htm http://www.mendosa.com/satiety.htm http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/foods-high-satiation-3799.ht...

Imho the easiest way by far to lose weight is eat foods that combine low carb + high satiation index.

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