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Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by tn13 »

scarmig wrote: post #94
discardorama wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not Indian and have no connection to the sub-continent. I am, so allow me. 1. The RSS is not "violently anti-muslim", despite what you read on teh internets. They have a Muslim wing, so to speak: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/the-saffron-muslim/... 2. If the "BJP has other policies, which are disturbing", please enlighten us. Just lobbing an attack and walking away doesn't do any good. 3. The US deni…

That is maybe just a little too generous to the RSS. It's a big organization, so it does a lot of things. Some well-known events to contextualize the RSS: 1949: A member of the RSS (EDIT: perhaps lapsed, perhaps active), Nathuram Godse, assassinates Mahatma Gandhi for being too partial to Muslims. 1992: The RSS organizes a rally of 150k activists at the Babri Mosque, as part of a campaign to get the government to dem…

Correction: Nathuram Godse was not a member of RSS when he assassinated Gandhi. RSS did not agree with his radical views and hence he left RSS to start his own organization.

2002: Muslim mob burned 59 people alive on a railways station. Riots were mostly a response to this incident.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by tn13 »

A lot of people have turned into sulking mode and are claiming that Mr. Modi is some kind of draconian third world dictator who is now going to kill many people in India.

Even though it may appear to ordinary westerners please be assured that this is far far away from the truth.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by tn13 »

efuquen wrote: post #78
discardorama wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not Indian and have no connection to the sub-continent. I am, so allow me. 1. The RSS is not "violently anti-muslim", despite what you read on teh internets. They have a Muslim wing, so to speak: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/the-saffron-muslim/... 2. If the "BJP has other policies, which are disturbing", please enlighten us. Just lobbing an attack and walking away doesn't do any good. 3. The US deni…

I find it amazing the attitude that the 2002 Gujarat riots should be brushed under the rug. There is still plenty of controversy about what happened there and Modi's and the states role in those riots, regardless of what any Supreme Court ruling has said. But I guess we should just let bygones be bygones and forget the 1000+ deaths and 100,000s of displaced lives due to riots that are widely believed to have been enc…

As a voter I care more about better roads, 24 hour electricity, less government interference in my life than some 1000 people died in a riot 10 years ago.

Those who want to take a moral position by preferring few pamphlets of secularism over real development are free to do so but I think the probability that I will remain alive and prosper is a magnitude higher than under the corrupt Antonia Maino government.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

monsterix wrote: post #140
z3phyr wrote: post #111

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Modi controlled courts? Dude, do you believe in Indian democracy? Judiciary is independent of the executives. I strongly suggest you go to the courts.

Yes. I believe in its (courts') efficiencies and mess. Wish you a happy life stuck in the same court you're thumping your chest upon. I am sure you know more about Indian courts, than I do. They are supposed to be independent, but they're not. Rut flows through it in the form of cash or life threatening pressures. But obviously you're so happy about it, so I can't convince you -- unless you go through it yourself.

I know courts are slow, but the judicial system is by and large good. Especially the SC. Of course, as a moral citizen, if you have the evidence, go to the UN or the US.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by cubancigar11 »

tn13 wrote: post #150
cubancigar11 wrote: post #145

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I feel I should plunge into this mud puddle. I was part of the RSS shakhas. My family has been, for generations, part of RSS. Advani stayed at my house at the time of emergency. > I do not know the "agenda" you are talking about. Have you ever read any of the autobiographies of RSS 'sanghsarchalaks' (leaders)? I am not even talking about Gowalikar. Any recent ones? Have you ever read any issue of RSS mouthpiece magaz…

I am not sure what your point is. Which "sanghchalak" has written an "autobiography" ? The minor books like a bunch of thoughts are pretty vague and rarely discussed in detail at any of the camps. Not to mention these books are not considered as holy as the communists would consider Stalin's work for example. Both The founder Hedgewar and Guruji were pretty clear the the objective (or agenda) of the organization is "…

So I have been downvoted even though all I offered was facts.

You appear to have been miffed by the word "autobiography". But I think you know which volumes of books I am talking about.

> Not to mention these books are not considered as holy as the communists would consider Stalin's work for example.

First of all, these books are not discussed in detail at any camps just like Vector Algebra is not discussed in any nursery. What is your point? The leaders of RSS have consistently espoused a bigoted and fascist agenda which you have convinietly skipped over while wondering what "Hindu religious viewpoint" people are clamoring about. Please be clear: being against RSS is not being against "Hindu religious viewpoint", it is being against 'muslims are breeding like rabbits we need to control them like a pest' and 'Hindus are being attacked we must rally and unite behind a common cause of controling muslims like a pest' mentality. Let me know if you think RSS disagrees with this ideology and I will stop this discussion right here.

Also, Stalin's work? You meant Marx? I have yet to meet a liberal (which is what RSS means when they talk about commies) that has ever read Marx.

That _should_ shatter your understanding of whatever you have understood about 'commies'. Imagine how much wrong you just might be about the rest of it.

> and Secular.

And what are the characteristics of these 'secular'? A politically loaded term that has no place in a discussion grounded in reality.

> For example US denying visa to Modi... F*ck US visa who cares about it?

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by cmadan »

z3phyr wrote: post #130
cmadan wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was government involved. Maya Kodnani, who was a part of the BJP government at that time (2001) and later on made the Minister for Women and Child Development (in 2007) in Gujarat was convicted of murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

I have updated my facts, thanks.

Looks like you deleted your parent post. To provide for future readers, the parent post claimed that the Government was not involved with the riots at all. My reply provides an example of a Minister of the Government who was convicted for murder and conspiracy to murder in a case involving the riots.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by maheshs »

People who claim Modi ia a pro development are ill informed. If Gujarat is a "model" than at least 5-6 states are in India which you can call "super model".

Link contains state ranking on various Index (Right Navigation). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_states_and_terri...

People of Gujarat were always pro business and evidence for the same is, people of Since independence, people of Gujarat are least dependent upon government jobs and having low un-employment rate always.

Now why Modi was elected. Reason is same the way congress was winning in last 50 years.

Media, Propaganda, Mix politics with religion and wrap all those into "Hope".

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by cmadan »

3apo wrote: post #128
cmadan wrote: post #120

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Here are the GDP growth rates of India. BJP Government --- 1999 - 8.8% 2000 - 3.8% (Dotcom bubble busts) 2001 - 4.8% 2002 - 3.8% 2003 - 7.9% Average GDP growth during BJP government - 5.82% Congress government ---- 2004 - 7.9% 2005 - 9.3% 2006 - 9.3% 2007 - 9.8% 2008 - 3.9% (Recession hits) 2009 - 8.5% (Congress is re-elected for another 5 years) 2010 - 10.3% 2011 - 6.6% 2012 - 4.7% 2013 - 4.8% Average GDP growth dur…

Do you have numbers for the inflation as well?, which has more direct impact on the people than GDP. I know people were scandalized when onion prices increased 300-400% last year. For right/wrong reasons, congress got blamed for that.

The GDP numbers provided above are adjusted for inflation. Which means it is the GDP growth rate AFTER inflation is taken into account.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by discardorama »

anu_gupta wrote: post #149
discardorama wrote: post #148

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Nobody is moving the goalposts; pointing out fallacies in your argument is called "shedding light" or "exposing the duplicity of BJP's critics". You talked about "stance on homosexuality". Why is the BJP's stance a negative, while the Congress's stance not? Congress was the one that decided to defend the law and argued in court against homosexuality; and yet you find BJP more reprehensible?!?

Why do you keep trying to detail the conversation, beta? Let's recap. 1. You asked for some other examples of disturbing BJP policies. You didn't qualify that in any way. 2. You get provided with an example 3. You're then all "Oh, but other people do that too, why single out my guy?" 4. Your attempts to move the goalpost is called out. 5. You then decide to use the word "fallacy" incorrectly and continue to try to de…

Now let me educate you a little, mummy.

When you say, "I find X disturbing", that means you are saying "X is not the norm; and I find that deviation upsetting". I am saying that _every_ major political party has that norm in India; otherwise, the 100+ years old laws against homosexuality would not have survived. If you find BJP's stance against homosexuality 'disturbing', then you must be having apoplectic fits at the Congress Party, which has governed India for 50+ years. If they were for gay rights, why didn't _they_ do something?

"I think Gandhi was a shit. I think Modi is a shit." ... LOL. Instead of bleating like a goat about the problems, offer a solution. The main reason people support Modi is that he can govern; and he has shown that in Gujarat. However low the bar may be, he is the only one of the current crop of "leaders" who has cleared it.

People want good governance, not platitudes. And sure as hell they don't want weed-smoking pseudo-intellectuals who couldn't survive a day doing real field work.

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