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Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by prakashk »

discardorama wrote: post #134
scarmig wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you understand how this works. It's not "Congress gets one communal violence pass free, it's only fair if the BJP gets a communal violence pass too!"

No, I don't think you understand how it works. If you are going to hold someone to a standard, then hold EVERYONE to that standard. You can't just hold someone to an arbitrary standard just because you don't like them.

> If you are going to hold someone to a standard, then hold EVERYONE to that standard.

True. However, the question is, does it need to be stated explicitly every time someone gets criticized, or asked to be held accountable for something.

> You can't just hold someone to an arbitrary standard just because you don't like them.

I don't think that was happening here. Modi wasn't being held to an "arbitrary standard" because he wasn't "liked". His actions were the point of discussion here.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by kang »

kang wrote: post #37

A corrupt Business Model. BJP (the party under Modi's leadership) allegedly spent 100 billion Rs on advertisement. Like cunning businessman they exploited a loophole in the law; the parties are exempted from disclosing the source of their income! With this amount of money, every child in India could be educated for free. Imagine that for a second. The huge spendings, presenting a lipstick-on-a-pig development model o…

Those who do not agree please consider this as a work of fiction and just ignore.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by chaofguan »

not_that_noob wrote: post #117
Brakenshire wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seem to be quite a few newly registered, aggressively pro-Modi accounts on this thread.

It's the RSS Internet Wing I'm sure

no, I am not. In fact I am not even Indian but hatred you are showing is quite obvious. I think you had relation to party that lost election or you can't digest the election results.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by cubancigar11 »

tn13 wrote: post #87
r0h1n wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the parent is guilty of over simplification, you are guilty of obfuscation. While technically the RSS may have a Muslim wing tucked away somewhere with some token members, it was, is and will remain the umbrella organization for advancing the Hindu (religious) viewpoint. It has been violent many times in its history, and even today stands accused of engineering everything from riots to bomb blasts. And always with…

I was associated with more than 10 years or so and I still do not know what this "Hindu religious viewpoint". I have always been pure atheist while I worked for RSS. I was close to higher ups in RSS and I do not know the "agenda" you are talking about. Communist, Church and Muslim organizations and very constantly write unsubstantiated bs about RSS in amagazines like Caravan. There are many things wrong with RSS, I w…

I feel I should plunge into this mud puddle.

I was part of the RSS shakhas. My family has been, for generations, part of RSS. Advani stayed at my house at the time of emergency.

> I do not know the "agenda" you are talking about.

Have you ever read any of the autobiographies of RSS 'sanghsarchalaks' (leaders)? I am not even talking about Gowalikar. Any recent ones? Have you ever read any issue of RSS mouthpiece magazine? Have you ever visited http://rss.org ?

> Communist, Church and Muslim organizations...

In short, the evergreen enemies of RSS and Hindu Nation.

> write unsubstantiated bs about RSS...

Do you have any backing beside RSS mouthpiece magazines?

> I would rather listen to Dr. Koenraad Elst

Because a true nationalist listens to outsiders who agree than nationals who disagree?

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by mands »

scarmig wrote: post #113
discardorama wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no "argument from authority". The OP said he was not Indian; and I replied I was. Maybe you should try to read your own Wikipedia link? Instead of unnecessary blather, why not post some informative links? Educate us all, instead of trolling from behind a keyboard. RSS is no more "violently anti-muslim" than the Congress Party is "violently anti-Sikh". Read up about the 1984 riots, and learn something for a ch…

There's the not minor point that Congress has formally apologized for its role in the 1984 riots, while Modi and the BJP have offered none for their role in 2002, instead comparing the murdered Muslims to puppies that sometimes happen to get run over by cars.

What good is an apology from Congress when they stonewall any attempts for an independent inquiry into the 1984 riots and still harbour known instigators and accomplices at a high level within the party?

On the other hand, several senior BJP officials were tried and convicted for their part in the 2002 riots.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by cubancigar11 »

z3phyr wrote: post #111
monsterix wrote: post #58

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You mean go to a Modi controlled court and ask milord Modi "where should I seek justice against the crimes you have been doing?" I am sure you are smarter than this.

Modi controlled courts? Dude, do you believe in Indian democracy? Judiciary is independent of the executives. I strongly suggest you go to the courts.

Spoken like someone who never had to go to court.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by discardorama »

anu_gupta wrote: post #137
discardorama wrote: post #135

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Why single out BJP? Why not the Congress, which _was_ in power when the High Court judgment came out, and could have passed a law legalizing homosexuality? Actions, as they say, are louder than words. Congress was in a position to enact change; but decided not to.

You wanted an example, I gave you an example - I guess you need to move the goalposts as you can't actually deny that Modi and the BJP have spoken out against homosexuality many times. As far as I'm aware, the Congress Party have pledged in their manifesto that the rights of sexual minorities will be protected. If you want to have a reasoned and rational debate, then fine. If you're just going to try to employ cheap…

Nobody is moving the goalposts; pointing out fallacies in your argument is called "shedding light" or "exposing the duplicity of BJP's critics".

You talked about "stance on homosexuality". Why is the BJP's stance a negative, while the Congress's stance not? Congress was the one that decided to defend the law and argued in court against homosexuality; and yet you find BJP more reprehensible?!?

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by anu_gupta »

discardorama wrote: post #148
anu_gupta wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wanted an example, I gave you an example - I guess you need to move the goalposts as you can't actually deny that Modi and the BJP have spoken out against homosexuality many times. As far as I'm aware, the Congress Party have pledged in their manifesto that the rights of sexual minorities will be protected. If you want to have a reasoned and rational debate, then fine. If you're just going to try to employ cheap…

Nobody is moving the goalposts; pointing out fallacies in your argument is called "shedding light" or "exposing the duplicity of BJP's critics". You talked about "stance on homosexuality". Why is the BJP's stance a negative, while the Congress's stance not? Congress was the one that decided to defend the law and argued in court against homosexuality; and yet you find BJP more reprehensible?!?

Why do you keep trying to detail the conversation, beta?

Let's recap.

1. You asked for some other examples of disturbing BJP policies. You didn't qualify that in any way. 2. You get provided with an example 3. You're then all "Oh, but other people do that too, why single out my guy?" 4. Your attempts to move the goalpost is called out. 5. You then decide to use the word "fallacy" incorrectly and continue to try to derail.

I think Gandhi was a shit. I think Modi is a shit. I think people like you, who continue to prop up the corrupt power structures in India are directly responsible for the mess that India is in. And I think it's reprehensible that all you can do is try to protect a corrupt, bigoted shit with the defence that someone else was a shit too.

In future, choose your words and questions more carefully, and don't cry when you get an answer that you specifically asked for.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by tn13 »

cubancigar11 wrote: post #145
tn13 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was associated with more than 10 years or so and I still do not know what this "Hindu religious viewpoint". I have always been pure atheist while I worked for RSS. I was close to higher ups in RSS and I do not know the "agenda" you are talking about. Communist, Church and Muslim organizations and very constantly write unsubstantiated bs about RSS in amagazines like Caravan. There are many things wrong with RSS, I w…

I feel I should plunge into this mud puddle. I was part of the RSS shakhas. My family has been, for generations, part of RSS. Advani stayed at my house at the time of emergency. > I do not know the "agenda" you are talking about. Have you ever read any of the autobiographies of RSS 'sanghsarchalaks' (leaders)? I am not even talking about Gowalikar. Any recent ones? Have you ever read any issue of RSS mouthpiece magaz…

I am not sure what your point is. Which "sanghchalak" has written an "autobiography" ? The minor books like a bunch of thoughts are pretty vague and rarely discussed in detail at any of the camps. Not to mention these books are not considered as holy as the communists would consider Stalin's work for example.

Both The founder Hedgewar and Guruji were pretty clear the the objective (or agenda) of the organization is "hindu unity for the sake of unity". There was not agenda related to politics, other communities or religions which the OP seemed to imply.

The left-liberals in India generally reduce to that group Communists, Church and Secular. That is known. For example US denying visa to Modi is not some grand moral stand by US but rather an appeasement of fractional religious groups in US itself.

I could have mentioned Ram Swarup, Sitaram Goel, Harsh Narain and many more. But unfortunately their work relatively old compared to Dr. Elst.

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