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Re: Show HN: Take It Apart

#51

Post by thomaslangston » Fri, May 16, 2014, 3:25 PM UTC

Spittie wrote: post #13

It's probably standard legalese, but I find it funny that in the TOS ( https://www.takeitapart.com/terms-of-use ) there is You acknowledge that (i) you own and are solely responsible for the content that you submit, post, or transmit And You grant TakeItApart a non-exclusive, royalty-free, transferable, sublicensable, worldwide license to use, store, display, delete, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, p…

This is a complete mis-characterization of the license.

1) It explicitly says "you own the content you submit."

2) It says you agree to let TakeItApart use the content you submit, in ways and purposes any website, forum, or blog would be expected and required to use content posted for general public display. This agreement does not limit you from posting the same content elsewhere (non-exclusive). Finally, you don't expect TakeItApart to pay you for this content (royalty-free).

3) Any expectation that a website should take unlimited legal liability for the content posted by the general public is unwarranted and unreasonable.

Re: Show HN: Take It Apart

#52

Post by dublinben » Fri, May 16, 2014, 3:45 PM UTC

tomkinstinch wrote: post #19

Spittie wrote: post #13

It's probably standard legalese, but I find it funny that in the TOS ( https://www.takeitapart.com/terms-of-use ) there is You acknowledge that (i) you own and are solely responsible for the content that you submit, post, or transmit And You grant TakeItApart a non-exclusive, royalty-free, transferable, sublicensable, worldwide license to use, store, display, delete, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, p…

One of the TakeItAparts here. We're certainly open to refining our Terms if others have been down a similar path before and have advice. My personal belief is to grant the user permissive rights, but we still need to worry about liability. We're certainly open to revisions.

You should just adopt the license structure that wikipedia has. If it works for them, there's no reason it won't work for you.

Re: Show HN: Take It Apart

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Post by asptimothy » Fri, May 16, 2014, 4:54 PM UTC

asadlionpk wrote: post #34

As someone said, a crowdsourced version of iFixit. I will definitely keep this bookmarked because I usually try to fix my phones, gadgets myself.

iFixit is all user-contributed / crowd-sourced. http://www.ifixit.com/Contribute

Re: Show HN: Take It Apart

#54

Post by xiongchiamiov » Fri, May 16, 2014, 4:56 PM UTC

Spittie wrote: post #13

It's probably standard legalese, but I find it funny that in the TOS ( https://www.takeitapart.com/terms-of-use ) there is You acknowledge that (i) you own and are solely responsible for the content that you submit, post, or transmit And You grant TakeItApart a non-exclusive, royalty-free, transferable, sublicensable, worldwide license to use, store, display, delete, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, p…

> That said, it looks like a nice site, a crowdsourced iFixIt.

We're already crowd-sourced! http://www.ifixit.com/Contribute Only about half our guides are staff-created.

> (I'd me more willing to contribute if the TOS wasn't so restrictive, but since I still own my content I don't mind so much"

Good news! Everything on iFixit is CC BY-NC-SA: http://www.ifixit.com/Info/Licensing (but you still own your content).

Re: Show HN: Take It Apart

#55

Post by rasz_pl » Fri, May 16, 2014, 6:10 PM UTC

Secure connection: fatal error (1066)

https://www.takeitapart.com/

Unable to verify the website's identity (OCSP error).

The response from the online certificate validation (OCSP) server was too old.

Re: Show HN: Take It Apart

#56

Post by tomkinstinch » Fri, May 16, 2014, 9:43 PM UTC

rasz_pl wrote: post #55

Secure connection: fatal error (1066) https://www.takeitapart.com/ Unable to verify the website's identity (OCSP error). The response from the online certificate validation (OCSP) server was too old.

Are you on Opera?

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7753129

Re: Show HN: Take It Apart

#57

Post by grinich » Sat, May 17, 2014, 5:41 AM UTC

thomaslangston wrote: post #51

Spittie wrote: post #13

It's probably standard legalese, but I find it funny that in the TOS ( https://www.takeitapart.com/terms-of-use ) there is You acknowledge that (i) you own and are solely responsible for the content that you submit, post, or transmit And You grant TakeItApart a non-exclusive, royalty-free, transferable, sublicensable, worldwide license to use, store, display, delete, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, p…

This is a complete mis-characterization of the license. 1) It explicitly says "you own the content you submit." 2) It says you agree to let TakeItApart use the content you submit, in ways and purposes any website, forum, or blog would be expected and required to use content posted for general public display. This agreement does not limit you from posting the same content elsewhere (non-exclusive). Finally, you don't…

That's actually a _relatively_ new underpinning of online publishing law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communicatio...

Re: Show HN: Take It Apart

#58

Post by sferoze » Sat, May 17, 2014, 3:36 PM UTC

tomkinstinch wrote: post #25

sferoze wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be cool if you also had someone explain a little about the internals of the product. I really enjoy watching these khan academy videos. Check them out for an idea of what I am talking about: https://www.khanacademy.org/science/discoveries-projects/Rev...

We want to create a culture on the site that explains the engineering and industrial design concepts behind the items on the site. How to inculcate that imperative isn't clear, but we're starting with community outreach and then hope to lead by example (the Roku guide is a step in that direction). We were at the World Maker Faire in New York last fall, and we'll be at the Bay Area Maker Faire in San Mateo this weeken…

My quora question relates to this, please answer if you can:

http://www.quora.com/What-are-some-good-books-or-classes-abo...

Re: Show HN: Take It Apart

#59

Post by 6d0debc071 » Sat, May 17, 2014, 9:31 PM UTC

tomkinstinch wrote: post #40

6d0debc071 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opera 12.16

It looks like this is a known problem with Opera 12.16[1][2]. According to the linked thread, a workaround is to disable opera:config#SecurityPrefs|OCSPValidateCertificates (obviously not ideal). You might see if it is fixed in 12.17. I do get an OCSP response if I run: openssl s_client -connect takeitapart.com:443 -tls1_2 -tlsextdebug -status Qualys also shows OCSP is working (though seemingly not part of the A+ rat…

Ah, thank you for your time on this. :) I'm sorry to hear it's a browser end problem.

Re: Show HN: Take It Apart

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Post by webmaven » Mon, May 19, 2014, 11:48 AM UTC

tomkinstinch wrote: post #31

MaxGabriel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you use a Creative Commons licensing scheme like Stack Exchange?

It may be worthwhile for us to look into it, but everyone has their own favorite creative commons license so we risk offending people if we choose just one, and choosing multiple would likely complicate things for us in the future. IANAL, but some CC licenses, like one prohibiting commercial use are difficult to use/enforce since usage is difficult to define. Another issue is that if a creator wishes to regain contro…

You might want to take a look at what Wikis do in terms of CC licensing.