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I'm About as Good as Dead: The End of Xah Lee

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Re: I'm About as Good as Dead: The End of Xah Lee

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I've come across his blog multiple times when I started with emacs and he seems like a cool guy(anyone that can spoon raw oatmeal into his mouth like it's the greatest thing ever is cool by my book). It's great he's asking for help instead of showing up on the front page as another dead hacker.

Please remember that line. We all forget so quickly.

Re: I'm About as Good as Dead: The End of Xah Lee

#232

I am willing to 'out' myself as a human being who has struggled with serious mental illness my whole life, if there's a chance it could help this person. I have also had a long and prosperous career, including 5 years as a senior engineer and lead at Microsoft. These two things are very nearly orthogonal. I.e. my medical history has very little to do with my employment history. But being compassionate does not requir…

As a person who has struggled with the same, I disagree. Compassion and "help" from strangers would have helped me very little — might even have harmed me. The compassion of my family and friends, their encouragement, honesty, and support, helped me beyond measure. I don't think strangers on the internet can fill that rôle.

It's a very fine line that is impossible to define for anything other than a machine.

Help from anonymous strangers can save lives. The flip side is that the potential for harm is greater than the aid of a professional or friend.

It's so tightly coupled to the scenario (nature vs nurture) that efforts to argue are probably futile.

Re: I'm About as Good as Dead: The End of Xah Lee

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post #90

Cases like this, when the talented person in question is a geek who "doesn't interview well," always frustrate me. Most of my professional success is a result of social skills and a lot of experience with wildly different social environments and cultures. While I do work hard at being actually good at what I do (because that's just more fun!), I could get pretty far as a cruddy developer. And that just feels unfair,…

Yeah, I lost all sympathy when I read this: 'why i didn't seek job all these years? well, i can only say i procrastinate and is ok living on a dime.' Maybe it's not that he doesn't interview well, its that he would be horrible employee.

>ok living on a dime

Isn't that the perfect employee?

Re: I'm About as Good as Dead: The End of Xah Lee

#234

I am willing to 'out' myself as a human being who has struggled with serious mental illness my whole life, if there's a chance it could help this person. I have also had a long and prosperous career, including 5 years as a senior engineer and lead at Microsoft. These two things are very nearly orthogonal. I.e. my medical history has very little to do with my employment history. But being compassionate does not requir…

As a person who has struggled with the same, I disagree. Compassion and "help" from strangers would have helped me very little — might even have harmed me. The compassion of my family and friends, their encouragement, honesty, and support, helped me beyond measure. I don't think strangers on the internet can fill that rôle.

Every person's story is unique. Xah's is here:

http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/Personal_dir/xah.html

There doesn't seem to have been a deep bench for his support team for a very long time, if ever.

When I went to school in Gainesville, there was a saying: No matter how weird you are, there are a bunch of people who are weirder. The internet is that at scale. Thirty years ago, Xah would probably not have known people who he could identify with or that anyone identifies with him. The internet gets some people out of their isolation. It lets them talk about things that they find interesting or that matter.

I don't talk programming languages with the locals. The appropriate topics are children, church, and Auburn football - which runs from National Signing Day in February to the BCS in January.

Re: I'm About as Good as Dead: The End of Xah Lee

#235

I am willing to 'out' myself as a human being who has struggled with serious mental illness my whole life, if there's a chance it could help this person. I have also had a long and prosperous career, including 5 years as a senior engineer and lead at Microsoft. These two things are very nearly orthogonal. I.e. my medical history has very little to do with my employment history. But being compassionate does not requir…

As a person who has struggled with the same, I disagree. Compassion and "help" from strangers would have helped me very little — might even have harmed me. The compassion of my family and friends, their encouragement, honesty, and support, helped me beyond measure. I don't think strangers on the internet can fill that rôle.

And some kind of help is the kind of help that helping's all about

And some kind of help is the kind of help we all can do without

- Shel Silverstein

Just, please, be careful in categorically deciding which is which.

Re: I'm About as Good as Dead: The End of Xah Lee

#236

I am willing to 'out' myself as a human being who has struggled with serious mental illness my whole life, if there's a chance it could help this person. I have also had a long and prosperous career, including 5 years as a senior engineer and lead at Microsoft. These two things are very nearly orthogonal. I.e. my medical history has very little to do with my employment history. But being compassionate does not requir…

As a person who has struggled with the same, I disagree. Compassion and "help" from strangers would have helped me very little — might even have harmed me. The compassion of my family and friends, their encouragement, honesty, and support, helped me beyond measure. I don't think strangers on the internet can fill that rôle.

That's fine, but people need to eat. Plus, a lot of people simply don't have that support network. Gifts from strangers save lives every day.

Re: I'm About as Good as Dead: The End of Xah Lee

#237
post #205

What in the f *. I've been following this guy since a bit before Orkut/Tribe days when he had full hair (~2003?). He's been very inspirational. At first I thought he was a bit of a jerk and a troll (not the right place or time to elaborate on this, but well this was long ago so it doesn't matter) but when I saw him take on his education in his 30s I was quite impressed with what he achieved. I think this guy is top d…

It could perhaps be the effects of isolation (which, as recent submissions and discussions here make evident, can have a huge effect on a person).

I've had periods in my life where I withdrew from others, and every time I recovered, I was amazed by how much this withdrawal warped everything about me, and by how easy it was for me to forget simple social behavior. It was almost like I was a completely different person.

Re: I'm About as Good as Dead: The End of Xah Lee

#238
post #90

Cases like this, when the talented person in question is a geek who "doesn't interview well," always frustrate me. Most of my professional success is a result of social skills and a lot of experience with wildly different social environments and cultures. While I do work hard at being actually good at what I do (because that's just more fun!), I could get pretty far as a cruddy developer. And that just feels unfair,…

I get what you're saying, but I also tend to think: if they're so smart, why not learn some social skills? It's not like being socially awkward has to be an innate thing; they're called social skills for a reason, you can learn them. Many people were once socially awkward, and then fixed it. It's not particularly fair, but social awkwardness does tend to send a signal about what people value. And what a socially awkw…

If a behavior runs deep enough it can be really hard to admit that it's even there. After admitting it's there, it can be really hard to come to grips with how much an effect it has on your life. After understanding the impact it has on your life, past and present, it can be challenging to work towards changing the behavior.

Re: I'm About as Good as Dead: The End of Xah Lee

#239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I have a feeling he might have burned a few bridges. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-April/355...

After reading his original post (of unnecessary expletives and excessive nitpicking) can't say I feel sorry for him

http://xahlee.info/perl-python/xlali_skami_cukta.html

Well, I think his criticisms are pretty well-founded. He just doesn't say it in a way you would enjoy.

Re: I'm About as Good as Dead: The End of Xah Lee

#240

I am willing to 'out' myself as a human being who has struggled with serious mental illness my whole life, if there's a chance it could help this person. I have also had a long and prosperous career, including 5 years as a senior engineer and lead at Microsoft. These two things are very nearly orthogonal. I.e. my medical history has very little to do with my employment history. But being compassionate does not requir…

If your leg has a medical problem, get well soon, do everything medically needed. If your brain has a medical problem, people will treat you very differently. Voices like yours will hopefully change that over time.

I don't see any evidence of him having a medical problem, but he surely deserves our compassion.

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