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India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by Brakenshire »

joosters wrote: post #24

Note that 'pro-business' is a politically empty phrase. After all, no candidate in any election would claim to be 'anti-business'. If the opposite to any given political standpoint is completely unacceptable, then IMO that makes the original viewpoint empty and meaningless.

> Note that 'pro-business' is a politically empty phrase. After all, no candidate in any election would claim to be 'anti-business'.

Not sure I agree, for instance no candidate would claim to be 'anti-life', but that doesn't make 'pro-life' a politically empty phrase. In that case, you know exactly what someone means by it.

But pro-business is definitely vague. It might just as well mean 'friendly with industrialists' as wanting to spark wide-based growth.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by tomp »

twoodfin wrote: post #13
tomp wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Please flag this off the front page - there are other more deserving stories. I should learn not to upvote comments before I read them to the end. Oh well... Anyhow, this election result isn't fascinating to me because he is or isn't right-wing/nationalistic/pro-business/whatever, it's interesting because it represents a very strong change of direction in the government. It looks like people were very dissatisfied…

But at least democracy is working in the East, if not in the West (e.g. US). This is a little snarky and off-hand for HN. There are threads seemingly daily to discuss how and why the fraction of the electorate represented by HN commenters is not getting its preferred policy outcomes. There's no need to pull threads on other topics into that morass.

I mentioned the US because it has only 2 political parties, which have quite similar political programs and even more similar (in the course of my lifetime) governing styles. It's not much different in Slovenia; same politicians for the past 25 years, with little change possible.

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Post by linux_devil »

Correction : Certainly not historic , when you say historic would like to correct you that in 1984 , INC (2014 runner-up party) won 414 seats .

One of the party which was crowdsourced "AAP" won only 4 seats but certainly show a ray of hope when leadership has been tossed between both these parties since Independence .

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by [deleted] »

cstross wrote: post #33

Calling Modi "pro-business" seems like a bit of an over-simplication. He's a member of the RSS ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh ), which is arguably a violently anti-muslim paramilitary group, as well as leading the BJP ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharatiya_Janata_Party ). It's not unreasonable to call the BJP centre-right on economic/business issues ... but they have other policies as…

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Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by abhigupta »

kang wrote: post #37

A corrupt Business Model. BJP (the party under Modi's leadership) allegedly spent 100 billion Rs on advertisement. Like cunning businessman they exploited a loophole in the law; the parties are exempted from disclosing the source of their income! With this amount of money, every child in India could be educated for free. Imagine that for a second. The huge spendings, presenting a lipstick-on-a-pig development model o…

To put it another way, Majority of Indians don't understand or your share your beliefs either.

Simply put, Modi won because Indian people believed he represents a better alternative to anyone out there by wide margin.

I find it hard to put much credibility in the above ideas, when it is implied that somehow stock market going up and Ambani and Adani companies increasing their Market Cap is caused by them potentially donating money to an opposition candidate in an election and caused for concern!

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by [deleted] »

discardorama wrote: post #36
cstross wrote: post #33

Calling Modi "pro-business" seems like a bit of an over-simplication. He's a member of the RSS ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh ), which is arguably a violently anti-muslim paramilitary group, as well as leading the BJP ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharatiya_Janata_Party ). It's not unreasonable to call the BJP centre-right on economic/business issues ... but they have other policies as…

> I'm not Indian and have no connection to the sub-continent. I am, so allow me. 1. The RSS is not "violently anti-muslim", despite what you read on teh internets. They have a Muslim wing, so to speak: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/the-saffron-muslim/... 2. If the "BJP has other policies, which are disturbing", please enlighten us. Just lobbing an attack and walking away doesn't do any good. 3. The US deni…

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Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by kparaju »

cstross wrote: post #33

Calling Modi "pro-business" seems like a bit of an over-simplication. He's a member of the RSS ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh ), which is arguably a violently anti-muslim paramilitary group, as well as leading the BJP ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharatiya_Janata_Party ). It's not unreasonable to call the BJP centre-right on economic/business issues ... but they have other policies as…

Modi also wants to turn Nepal into a Hindu state[1]. The only people who should be deciding if Nepal becomes a Hindu state or a secular state are Nepali citizens.

[1] http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation...

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by discardorama »

danmaz74 wrote: post #11
kshatrea wrote: post #2

All day I've been wondering when this or something like this would make it to HN. There's going to be polarization now - left wing or "secular" (believe me that is an overused term here in India) and so called liberals versus an opinionated group of people who believe in the Modi form of government and leadership. Not only is this not a good topic for HN - it is about as bad as saying "Pro big-government Obama wins"…

Our of curiosity, what do you think about the events in Gujarat in 2002?

The sad reality is: there are riots in India with depressing frequency. The riots in Gujarat were not an aberration; such things happen all over the place. That doesn't answer your question; but I'm laying the groundwork.

The Congress Party (which has been ruling India for the vast majority of the time since India became independent) realized, early on, that Modi was a threat and to counter this threat, they made every attempt to tar him with the guilt of 2002. No other Chief Minister of any other state has ever been held to such standards. Bear in mind: this is the same Congress Party whose members went on a rampage in 1984, killing/burning 4000+ Sikhs in Delhi when Indira Gandhi was assassinated by her bodyguards. They even came out and said, basically, "meh, bad things happen". The large number of Sikh deaths was _directly_ a result of their deliberate inaction. I know; I was in Delhi at that time. The Army was not called out for days, just so the bloodletting could continue. For this party to turn around and accuse Modi of orchestrating the 2002 riots is a sick joke.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by monsterix »

I usually do not write comments on politicians, but being an Indian I feel sad that someone like Narendra Modi has even been considered for the post of Prime Minister by my countrymen. Let alone the decision to elect him for the top job.

But so it is, he is now the PM, and I accept what democracy and fate has asked me to accept and go with.

Having said that I am yet to understand why the following murders by the Godman himself have remain unsolved so far:

To inform and remind people there are quite a few murders that have been carried out by Modi, Amit Shah and D. G. Vanzara:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haren_Pandya This guy was the Home Minister of Gujarat and key witness to implicate Modi to confess former's role in execution of 3000 children and women in Godhra Kand.

2. http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/kausar-bi-wa... Wife of the hitman used to kill 1 above.

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Soharbuddin_... The hitman.

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishrat_Jahan Unsolved.

5. The guy with direct reporting to Amit Shah and Narendra Modi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.G._Vanzara The hitman with a uniform.

6. and there are several hundred other cases which could and could not surface above Modi's close quarters.

Here is a video of a few criminals who proudly discuss how they went on killing entire families of a particular faith, and how Modi gave them the strength, protection and instruction to do so:

7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFZBNUnG5pI

I am actually reassessing the value in the concept of democracy lately. I think tyrannies almost always figure out a way to come on the top. It's like seeded alongside the Third Law of Thermodynamics.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by discardorama »

[deleted] wrote: post #46
discardorama wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not Indian and have no connection to the sub-continent. I am, so allow me. 1. The RSS is not "violently anti-muslim", despite what you read on teh internets. They have a Muslim wing, so to speak: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/the-saffron-muslim/... 2. If the "BJP has other policies, which are disturbing", please enlighten us. Just lobbing an attack and walking away doesn't do any good. 3. The US deni…

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There's no "argument from authority". The OP said he was not Indian; and I replied I was. Maybe you should try to read your own Wikipedia link?

Instead of unnecessary blather, why not post some informative links? Educate us all, instead of trolling from behind a keyboard.

RSS is no more "violently anti-muslim" than the Congress Party is "violently anti-Sikh". Read up about the 1984 riots, and learn something for a change.

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