There is a prisoner in the US Federal system who has been in solitary confinement for 27 years : http://www.peteearley.com/thomas-silverstein/ A court recently ruled that his conditions did not constitute a violation of the 8th amendment: http://solitarywatch.com/2013/09/25/federal-appeals-court-co... It is scary to think that while this article start out with an example of "almost 10,000 hours" in isolation as somet…
and the courts have upheld this treatment as legal Well, given his track record, what alternative is there?
How extreme isolation warps the mind
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#92"Since then, researchers have found that in darkness most people eventually adjust to a 48-hour cycle: 36 hours of activity followed by 12 hours of sleep. The reasons are still unclear" This statement was interesting to me. I wonder if it resonates with anyone else on HN. My BF who works from home a lot can spend days/hours at home splitting his time between working (programming) and playing video games. He has said…
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#93This article unfortunately elides "sensory deprivation" and "social deprivation." Which I suspect are two very different things. They may bot be difficult for most people but I suspect there are very different mechanisms in play.
To really start understanding it, you'd have to break down different types and intensities of deprivation. How different is it to bed fed by a robot as opposed to being fed by a hostile guard, for instance?
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#94A psychological gem was dropped in the middle of the article: People in her circumstances have their world suddenly inverted, and there is nothing in the manner of their taking – no narrative of sacrifice, or enduring for a greater good – to help them derive meaning from it. They must somehow find meaning in their predicament – or mentally detach themselves from their day-to-day reality, which is a monumental task wh…
I cannot understand why people still decide to base their motivations on slippery concepts like the meaning of life or on some romantized, conjectured intrinsic values of our species. It seems to me that there are much better mental models of our existence that can help us to organize our thoughts and lifes, most notably things that are derived from the theory of evolution, neuroscience and from behavioral biology.
Having verifiable evidence against my beliefs means nothing, because my intention is not factuality. That's why creationism and evolution may coexist in the theologians mind. And that's why the utilitarian ideology will never become widespread.
The sciences are valuable in all tangible senses, but these "models," as you describe, are just that - models. And I feel no obligation to model my existence. Honestly, I prefer not to understand myself. Life's more amusing while unpredictable.
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#95A psychological gem was dropped in the middle of the article: People in her circumstances have their world suddenly inverted, and there is nothing in the manner of their taking – no narrative of sacrifice, or enduring for a greater good – to help them derive meaning from it. They must somehow find meaning in their predicament – or mentally detach themselves from their day-to-day reality, which is a monumental task wh…
This helps you keep your sanity, but when the same thing happens on a large scale, it can also cause all sorts of social problems.
There are many cultures that valorize unnecessary suffering for the sake of suffering, just because it has always been a part of life. Often this takes the form of a rite of passage, such as genital mutilation, mandatory military service, and ridiculous amount of cramming in high school (especially in East Asia). Work that serves absolutely no purpose other than putting food on your table might fall into this category.
People often romanticize such activities, they think there's some profound meaning and honor in enduring them, and they even feel ashamed if they fall short of the societal norm. But in many cases, the illusion of honor is just a collective coping strategy. Koreans valorize studying 18 hours a day because they know of no other way to learn. Americans valorize full-time employment because most of them are stuck doing it. Soldiers everywhere brag about how brutal their training was because it makes them feel like their dick is bigger. In every instance, the valorization and romanticization gets in the way of progress.
If you as an individual discover meaning in something that everyone else ignores or takes for granted, that's great, you've become a better person through that experience. But if you see a bunch of people doing it together, it's usually a recipe for conservatism. The ultimate strength of humankind does not lie in our ability to endure pain. It lies in our ability to change the world so that nobody needs to endure the same kind of pain anymore.
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#96This is remarkable: "researchers have found that in darkness most people eventually adjust to a 48-hour cycle: 36 hours of activity followed by 12 hours of sleep. The reasons are still unclear."
With alternative sleep cycles popularizing (i.e. biphasic, dymaxion, everyman), I wonder if we'll find that more efficient/healthy systems exist. It's very possible that our modern habits evolved in spite of best health, reacting to more immediate issues instead. But now, with a counter to the danger of darkness, we have an opportunity to experiment with otherwise-unrealistic cycles.
But then again, the 6-10 hour blocks we're acclimated to may be so deeply engrained that our health would face consequences in any other situation.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
The extreme isolation described in this article bears little resemblance to "working on projects", so the connection seems spurious.
You seem to have missed the portion about "locked away". The fact is that there is a connection... isolation. And it may result in manifestation of less severe versions of the same symptoms.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
You seem to have missed the portion about "locked away". The fact is that there is a connection... isolation. And it may result in manifestation of less severe versions of the same symptoms.
I think you're just making that up, and that it trivializes the real trauma the article is about.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
You seem to have missed the portion about "locked away". The fact is that there is a connection... isolation. And it may result in manifestation of less severe versions of the same symptoms.
I think you're just making that up, and that it trivializes the real trauma the article is about.
Thanks for expressing your opinion. I'm sorry you feel the need to be hostile. And, I don't agree with you.
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#100This is remarkable: "researchers have found that in darkness most people eventually adjust to a 48-hour cycle: 36 hours of activity followed by 12 hours of sleep. The reasons are still unclear."
I'm not well-versed in modern sleep research, but our habits today are shifting drastically for the first time. Because of electricity, we're no longer bound to the sun cycle, as species of past millennia have been, and the typical day-night sleep schedule is no longer required. With alternative sleep cycles popularizing (i.e. biphasic, dymaxion, everyman), I wonder if we'll find that more efficient/healthy systems e…
Are they really? I don't know of anyone who uses an alternate sleep cycle.