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Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

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You make sweeping claims like > Technologies like Updn and valME are about upending the entire revenue model for news, social media, blogs, forums, and search engines Yet this site looks only marginally more alive than, say Digg. You've provided a content /aggregation/ site that you now have to pay for in order to actually contribute or effect in any way. It isn't really about the amount or the method in which you pa…

valME is young, granted. That doesn't discount the idea. Yes, any content provider can throw money (via fake accounts, advertising, etc.) at their own content to increase visibility. That's why advertising works. On sites like reddit and FB, it costs the content providers effectively nothing to manipulate votes. On sites like valME and Updn, there will be a (minimal) cost. It's a small barrier for manipulation, but a…

> On sites like reddit and FB, it costs the content providers effectively nothing to manipulate votes.

But that's offset by the sheer volume of people who can freely vote. If you have a system where a vote is a payment, you'll likely have a >95% reduction of legitimate voters, and likely a much higher amount of "gamed" voters as a result. Remember, corporations and governments have more money to spend than the average person. I.e. All governments/corporations can afford to spend money + some individuals can spend money. Compare that with: All governments/corporations can freely upvote + all individuals can freely upvote. Requiring money actually skews voting in the wrong direction.

That's why I think Reddit made a smart decision when they implemented Reddit guilding for top-level comments. They did it in such a way that guilding doesn't affect voting, and guilded comments can't even be seen from the homepage--otherwise it would skew the results.

I do totally agree about other ways to support creators, though. I think it's crucial for sites like StackOverflow to implement direct tipping for users' efforts.

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

valME is young, granted. That doesn't discount the idea. Yes, any content provider can throw money (via fake accounts, advertising, etc.) at their own content to increase visibility. That's why advertising works. On sites like reddit and FB, it costs the content providers effectively nothing to manipulate votes. On sites like valME and Updn, there will be a (minimal) cost. It's a small barrier for manipulation, but a…

> On sites like reddit and FB, it costs the content providers effectively nothing to manipulate votes. But that's offset by the sheer volume of people who can freely vote. If you have a system where a vote is a payment, you'll likely have a >95% reduction of legitimate voters, and likely a much higher amount of "gamed" voters as a result. Remember, corporations and governments have more money to spend than the averag…

You might be right - that, ultimately, we find that the system can be gamed more. That's not our hunch, and it's way too early to tell at this point, but we won't ignore the results if that's how it turns out.

StackOverflow really needs to implement this functionality, though. The hours upon hours we've saved by some of the answers there really deserved a real reward.

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#33
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Have you seen the kind of crap that gets upvotes on reddit? It's all low-effort content and rehashed memes. Maybe if downvotes were free this could work.

If people are willing to pay for reposts who are we to deny them that?

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#34

As a competitor, this is exciting. Updn is effectively what valME.io [1] does (although valME has many more bells and whistles, doesn't require someone technical to install and run it, uses bitcoin and PayPal, etc.). It is especially encouraging to see this open sourced. One of the goals of valME is to find ways where content consumers can bypass the behemoth publishing and media industries and financially support ou…

Small UI nit: on both services the tags really overwhelm the rest of the content visually.

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#35
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If anybody wants to see how this played out in 2010-2011, search for "Witcoin": https://www.google.com/search?q=witcoin At the peak it was a neat site, and some folks made a bit of money. If I recall correctly, there as a bit of a problem where NSFW posts were more profitable than most other kinds of posts. For some reason, the creator was unable to keep it running and didn't want to hand it off, so it was shut down.…

One solution: hide the nsfw tag by default, make it opt in like reddit.

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#38

As if a hivemind site like reddit (that's already littered with blatant advertisement posts) wasn't enough, this one proclaims, "Let's just skip the bullshit...you can buy all the top posts!" Seriously people, what actual beneficence will this bring to the table?

When upvotes cost money it ends up costing a lot more to get a post to the top. On reddit you can can create accounts and upvote all you want for free.

When you upvote yourself (via a sockpuppet account), you're paying yourself, and therefore it's basically a free upvote. So yes, upvotes are free unless you're upvoting somebody else.
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