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Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#11
As a competitor, this is exciting.

Updn is effectively what valME.io [1] does (although valME has many more bells and whistles, doesn't require someone technical to install and run it, uses bitcoin and PayPal, etc.).

It is especially encouraging to see this open sourced. One of the goals of valME is to find ways where content consumers can bypass the behemoth publishing and media industries and financially support our favorite content providers directly. Could micropayments to bloggers, authors, writers, musicians, et al. not only add-up to an important stream of income but also provided significant competition to the publishing oligopolies?

I'd like to see the concept taken even further. For example, search engines: could upvotes/downvotes be used for search algorithm rankings, upending the SEO industry? How about books? What if authors published their books on open platforms where readers could upvote and/or tip the author as they read (e.g., "I really enjoyed that chapter, so I'm going to upvote it and give the author a few cents/bitcoins")? How about applied to the king of question/answer sites - StackOverflow? I know there are plenty of SO coders who deserve more than our non-tangible upvotes for the time and effort they saved us. Music? Upvote the song and give revenues directly to the band, bypassing the big media houses.

Advertising is currently the primary source of revenue for most websites and content providers. Micropayments based on voting and tipping could change this revenue model. What would happen if it did? Would content quality increase? Would it become easier for unknown content providers to gain visibility? Would search results become more useful? Would companies like Facebook and Google be forced to change their business models? Would copyright legislation become less relevant?

Technologies like Updn and valME are about upending the entire revenue model for news, social media, blogs, forums, and search engines - advertising. They could give unknown, quality content providers a real, viable alternative to working for the mainstream media or writing blog posts that aren't even getting a few pennies from Google AdSense. They could take power away from the entertainment lobbying companies. They could even help encourage teens to write and create outside of 140 characters, a snap of a camera, or a silly Facebook post.

But, philosophically, they can also help encourage a few thoughts that apply outside of what we do online. There is too often a belief that someone should get something for nothing; get something without effort; get something without paying for it; get something without trading for it. People forget that there is always a price for value. They forget that someone, eventually, has to pay. The Internet is a hotbed for reinforcing the idea of something for nothing.

We need to reduce the power of advertising dollars on the Web. We need to give content creators a different viable distribution channel to make money in order to reduce the power of copyright lobbying efforts. Directionally, Updn is a great way to do that and, as a competitor, I hope it is successful and we see more like it.

[1] valME.io - http://valme.io/c/gettingstarted/faq/kqqqs/how-valme-works/

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#12

As if a hivemind site like reddit (that's already littered with blatant advertisement posts) wasn't enough, this one proclaims, "Let's just skip the bullshit...you can buy all the top posts!" Seriously people, what actual beneficence will this bring to the table?

Grrr, technology make Dirlewanger mad!

Having readers tipping histories encoded in a blockchain could make it easier to filter out spam via network analysis algos. Large chunks of money coming from brand new addresses wouldn't carry as much weight as old wallets with similar patterns as your own.

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#13
post #2

I wonder if it would be an effective gaming strategy to build momentum for my posts by upvoting them myself, and hope to reap a profit when other people add their votes

I have the feeling that it would become a cesspool of such and similar strategies.

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#14
post #12

As if a hivemind site like reddit (that's already littered with blatant advertisement posts) wasn't enough, this one proclaims, "Let's just skip the bullshit...you can buy all the top posts!" Seriously people, what actual beneficence will this bring to the table?

Grrr, technology make Dirlewanger mad! Having readers tipping histories encoded in a blockchain could make it easier to filter out spam via network analysis algos. Large chunks of money coming from brand new addresses wouldn't carry as much weight as old wallets with similar patterns as your own.

One can put in all the safeguards they want, but you really underestimate how far private entities with seemingly-bottomless coffers will go to get a message across, especially if its traffic is lush with its target demographic. I'm not trying to be pessimistic; this shit happens everyday on reddit, and a variant of this scenario that went too far sent Digg to the grave.

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#15
post #8

If anybody wants to see how this played out in 2010-2011, search for "Witcoin": https://www.google.com/search?q=witcoin At the peak it was a neat site, and some folks made a bit of money. If I recall correctly, there as a bit of a problem where NSFW posts were more profitable than most other kinds of posts. For some reason, the creator was unable to keep it running and didn't want to hand it off, so it was shut down.…

See also https://flattr.com/

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#16

As if a hivemind site like reddit (that's already littered with blatant advertisement posts) wasn't enough, this one proclaims, "Let's just skip the bullshit...you can buy all the top posts!" Seriously people, what actual beneficence will this bring to the table?

When upvotes cost money it ends up costing a lot more to get a post to the top. On reddit you can can create accounts and upvote all you want for free.

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#17

"Comments are free" seems like a poor choice. Comments should be the most expensive, in my opinion.

Do you mind explaining why? I wanted to give people who don't have Bitcoin a way to get involved without having to register through an exchange or use localbitcoins, etc.

Anything to fight the "don't read the comments" attitude people have adopted when using the internet. By requiring a tangible investment in your comment, it helps ensure people will make more succinct threads and spend less time trolling.

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#18
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grrr, technology make Dirlewanger mad! Having readers tipping histories encoded in a blockchain could make it easier to filter out spam via network analysis algos. Large chunks of money coming from brand new addresses wouldn't carry as much weight as old wallets with similar patterns as your own.

One can put in all the safeguards they want, but you really underestimate how far private entities with seemingly-bottomless coffers will go to get a message across, especially if its traffic is lush with its target demographic. I'm not trying to be pessimistic; this shit happens everyday on reddit, and a variant of this scenario that went too far sent Digg to the grave.

I haven't given it much thought, but that seems like a reason to support a blockchain based voting system. If votes are transparently logged then end users can rely on their own readers/clients to find relevant content. As you upvote and downvote you can train the client to learn which wallets/tips are credible/relevant and which aren't.

edit: I'm basically describing pandora for content based on blockchain data -- where anyone is free to modify the learning algos. Can someone please make that happen? Thanks.

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#19

I wrote something similar as a service for DogeCoin with an API that can be integrated in any kind of site. I.e. you could let people upvote anything on your site by utilizing the API. If anybody is interested in using this on his/her site, feel free to contact me. It is currently in private beta (sort of).

You should post to the dogecoin or dogecoindev subreddits. I would hazard a guess someone there would be interested in this.

Re: Show HN: Updn – HN/Reddit-style site where stories, votes, tips use Bitcoin

#20
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grrr, technology make Dirlewanger mad! Having readers tipping histories encoded in a blockchain could make it easier to filter out spam via network analysis algos. Large chunks of money coming from brand new addresses wouldn't carry as much weight as old wallets with similar patterns as your own.

One can put in all the safeguards they want, but you really underestimate how far private entities with seemingly-bottomless coffers will go to get a message across, especially if its traffic is lush with its target demographic. I'm not trying to be pessimistic; this shit happens everyday on reddit, and a variant of this scenario that went too far sent Digg to the grave.

I think you're raising great points, and I think this is a really valid concern.

However, I'd counter it thus: I think the shilling that happens on reddit is primarily acheived through the use of sock puppetry. I think casting upvotes with Bitcoin is a decent way to try and counter this effect.

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