Edge of the Creative Commons (2013)

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Post by TuringTest » Thu, May 15, 2014, 1:14 PM UTC

Edge of the Creative Commons (2013)
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Re: Edge of the Creative Commons (2013)

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Post by le_meta » Thu, May 15, 2014, 1:46 PM UTC

I generally don't find TVT interesting, but I'd love to hear more about these tropes that make these kind of people uncomfortable.

Re: Edge of the Creative Commons (2013)

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Post by smackfu » Thu, May 15, 2014, 1:47 PM UTC

This is 6 months old, so it doesn't seem like it went anywhere. Probably because the greater internet has no motivation to oppose moving content to a non-commercial license.

Re: Edge of the Creative Commons (2013)

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Post by TillE » Thu, May 15, 2014, 1:49 PM UTC

What about the attribution clause? If I copy an article from a CC-BY-* wiki, am I expected to cite every contributor? That doesn't seem reasonable. How does Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA) deal with this?

Re: Edge of the Creative Commons (2013)

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Post by JetSpiegel » Thu, May 15, 2014, 1:49 PM UTC

le_meta wrote: post #2

I generally don't find TVT interesting, but I'd love to hear more about these tropes that make these kind of people uncomfortable.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/content_violation_reports.php?r=1

I'm at work, so I won't follow the inner links. The page itself is OK.

Re: Edge of the Creative Commons (2013)

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Post by capnrefsmmat » Thu, May 15, 2014, 1:54 PM UTC

TillE wrote: post #4

What about the attribution clause? If I copy an article from a CC-BY-* wiki, am I expected to cite every contributor? That doesn't seem reasonable. How does Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA) deal with this?

Because Wikipedia makes the complete edit history of every page available, they suggest simply giving a link to the article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_co...

Re: Edge of the Creative Commons (2013)

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Post by nandhp » Thu, May 15, 2014, 1:55 PM UTC

TillE wrote: post #4

What about the attribution clause? If I copy an article from a CC-BY-* wiki, am I expected to cite every contributor? That doesn't seem reasonable. How does Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA) deal with this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_co...

It looks like a link is sufficient, or a list of all authors, optionally omitting those with only trivial edits.

Re: Edge of the Creative Commons (2013)

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Post by smackfu » Thu, May 15, 2014, 2:00 PM UTC

le_meta wrote: post #2

I generally don't find TVT interesting, but I'd love to hear more about these tropes that make these kind of people uncomfortable.

Well, they have anime, so why not hentai? And if they have hentai, why not extreme hentai like incest? And then you end up with a "Heartwarming" trope where someone sleeps with their mother.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110118061340/http://tvtropes.o...

I think porn examples are banned now.

Re: Edge of the Creative Commons (2013)

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Post by rmc » Thu, May 15, 2014, 2:12 PM UTC

TillE wrote: post #4

What about the attribution clause? If I copy an article from a CC-BY-* wiki, am I expected to cite every contributor? That doesn't seem reasonable. How does Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA) deal with this?

That was one of the reasons OpenStreetMap moved from CC to the ODbL. There are ~1 million OSM contributors and it is unclear if they all had to be attributed. So they changed the licence.

http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Why_CC_BY-SA_is_U...

Re: Edge of the Creative Commons (2013)

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Post by putlake » Thu, May 15, 2014, 2:21 PM UTC

I'm the founder of a wiki so I know some of these legal issues better than most (although, of course IANAL). Typically how this is supposed to work is: Wiki's terms of use say

(1) Users own the copyright to their contributions (authors always do; TVTropes appropriating this is not right)

(2)Users grant wiki a non-exclusive irrevocable license to do use the content in any way Wiki likes, including specifically a right to distribute it under CC.

That's where author of OP felt cheated. He wanted to contribute because he felt the content will be licensed CC-BY-SA but Wiki changed it. But this is fine. Author owns the copyright to his personal contributions so he can always publish it under any license he wants. (like he did in his blog post, where he declared all his contributions to be available under CC-BY-SA). The only wrinkle is for someone to be able to find specifically the author's contributions. If the author built upon someone else's work, the result might still be fine to use under CC-BY-SA because at the time the original work on the wiki was under CC-BY-SA. But any edits after the author's contribution are off limits for CC-BY-SA.

Wiki is legally within its rights to change the licensing of its content.