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Re: Tip any song or musician with Bitcoin

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It's currently about 4.5 cents (At current exchange rates), with plans to reduce that by an order of magnitude to 0.45 cents.

Where did you get that figure? I'm curious because I've used APIs such as Blockchain and Coinbase and minimum fee is 0.0005BTC, which is about 25c.

The minimum fee was reduced to 0.0001 BTC about a year ago.

Here's an article on the plans to further reduce the fee.

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-transaction-fees-slashed-ten...

Re: Tip any song or musician with Bitcoin

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's currently about 4.5 cents (At current exchange rates), with plans to reduce that by an order of magnitude to 0.45 cents.

Where did you get that figure? I'm curious because I've used APIs such as Blockchain and Coinbase and minimum fee is 0.0005BTC, which is about 25c.

It's complicated: the default fee is a bit like community consensus and this consensus has some inertia. Blockchain and Coinbase might still force you to overpay. Complain by sending support requests. Google: bitcoin default fee

Re: Tip any song or musician with Bitcoin

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Thought of a similar concept a few months back. When it comes to not getting sued, as long as they're not providing content, then the tip is simply a donation. If the users use the tip as moral justification to then steal the music ("hey, the artist got more than he would have if I bought it, and screw the labels!"), then the onus is on the user. As for getting the money to them, that's the question I want answered.…

This is what we're aiming for - since there is no content being bought, it's really just a donation. In terms of getting the money to the artists, this is definitely an important and difficult part - but we're going to start slowly, do things that don't scale and work it out from there. Out of interest, how do you see pledges and donations as different from a user's perspective? Thanks for the feedback!

I typed out an email and thought I'd just leave it here as it answers your question:

Hi, I was thinking about something like this after reading Jaron Lanier's Who Owns the Future (which I recommend simply for his view on how a capitalist economy could subsist on micropayments, if you haven't read it).

The world needs something like this, if only because the concept of post-payment, if successful, would align expenditure and value to a degree that is impossible if you've paid for a good before you can consume it. If this got big, it would change the quality of music that is produced as musicians would strive to make music that lasts. It requires a very moral user base, but I think you can find one.

I saw in another comment that you might use analytics as a future premium feature. If you think of the donor's psychology, tipping an artist comes from a desire to benefit the person who has provided them with an enjoyable experience, but also as an indication that of all the artist's material, that song/album/video is the direction that the band should continue to go in. If a donor thinks he can influence a band's decisions, then I am convinced that he would be likely to give more (remember, we're dealing with a fairly well-educated morally inclined user base. Not all people think this way, but they do). If analytics is locked behind a paywall, then donors might not feel the same incentive to give. This is obviously problematic, since you seem to be leaning freemium rather than charging fees as a source of revenue, and need to think of good premium features that the free user base won't miss.

If you truly view this as tipping, as a means to correct the fact that musicians receive far too little of their music's sales, then the payment model makes sens. If users start to use your website as a moral justification to steal music (as I certainly would) then you're effectively cutting into the labels' revenue. Though I applaud that initially, if this starts to gain scale, I would consider allowing users to give the labels a small percentage of their donation, as the labels do play an important role in producing, marketing… though not as big a role as their current compensation would suggest. I doubt that labels would ever accept these donations, as it would be an admission to the inadequacy of today's music distribution model, but you would gain a reputation of being a fair player rather than a pirate.

Though it sounds like this is already the case, I would highlight to your users that what they are giving is a pledge: it's not guaranteed that artists will agree to accept these donations. The pledging mentality, like with kickstarter and co, makes people give more as expected expenditure = pledge x probability of acceptance. An economically inclined user might give $15 instead of $10 if he only thinks that there's a 2/3 chance of that

Finally, you should allow for users to supply and request content associated with artists, tracks, albums… Hey, I'm looking for guitar tabs for this song and am willing to pay x for it. First person pays the fee, other downloaders can tip the guy who made the tabs if they choose. Or, I'll make tabs for this song for $20, people can leave little tips, and once it hits $20, it gets sent over to them and is available to the rest of the community. If there's too much content being generated, use a reputation system to only show the best and keep the UI clean.

I may be thinking a little too niche because I play guitar, but this could extend into all sorts of other spaces like merchandise, though competing with ebay/amazon on that front probably isn't where you want to go with this. If you did get into selling physical goods, you could keep it pretty indie by only allowing user created content (a poster a user drew). Because you would be creating a market that doesn't really exist, you would be more justified in charging small fees for user to user interactions than for user to artist tips.

I'll stop rambling.

I look forward to following your progress.

Re: Tip any song or musician with Bitcoin

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post #43
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what we're aiming for - since there is no content being bought, it's really just a donation. In terms of getting the money to the artists, this is definitely an important and difficult part - but we're going to start slowly, do things that don't scale and work it out from there. Out of interest, how do you see pledges and donations as different from a user's perspective? Thanks for the feedback!

I typed out an email and thought I'd just leave it here as it answers your question: Hi, I was thinking about something like this after reading Jaron Lanier's Who Owns the Future (which I recommend simply for his view on how a capitalist economy could subsist on micropayments, if you haven't read it). The world needs something like this, if only because the concept of post-payment, if successful, would align expendit…

Fantastic feedback. Thank you so much!

Re: Tip any song or musician with Bitcoin

#45
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you get that figure? I'm curious because I've used APIs such as Blockchain and Coinbase and minimum fee is 0.0005BTC, which is about 25c.

The minimum fee was reduced to 0.0001 BTC about a year ago. Here's an article on the plans to further reduce the fee. http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-transaction-fees-slashed-ten...

Thanks for that, services I've used force you to around 30-40 cents, which is ridiculous. Good to hear it will be lowered.

Re: Tip any song or musician with Bitcoin

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I like the idea! How do you reach the artists if they don't have their own bitcoin wallets?

We'll reach out to the artists and sign them up the Cheers - they will then be able to receive their tips in Bitcoin (recommended, and we'll help them set up a wallet) or fiat (slower, more complicated, minimum thresholds etc.). The exact process is still to be worked out.

So in other words, for this to work, you need to be able to contact and successfully convince any particular artist, anywhere in the world, to sign up for your service, after someone makes a donation? Or will you only allow donations to artists who have already signed on?

If it's the latter, your claim of being able to tip "any artist in the world" seems a bit disingenuous. If it's the former, do you just pocket the donations if the artist refuses to sign up?

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