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Audi 'lied' about safety testing of vehicles

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Re: Audi 'lied' about safety testing of vehicles

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Why does the A7 in the picture have an A5 badge on it? Car names in other countries are so confusing.

Because it actually is an A5 and not an A7. At least, that holds for the Benelux. I do understand the confusion, as they are very similar at first glance.

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post #9

Why does the A7 in the picture have an A5 badge on it? Car names in other countries are so confusing.

Because it is A5 everywhere. A5 and A7 are different models, not different names for same model. And A5 also has an 5 door model available, although it is not sold in states.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A5

Re: Audi 'lied' about safety testing of vehicles

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post #9

Why does the A7 in the picture have an A5 badge on it? Car names in other countries are so confusing.

Audi(and heck even BMW, Merc and non lux makers) sell many more variants of their vehicles in Europe. Estates/Avants/Station wagons are the SUV of Europe. Its much easier to make 30+ mpg in one of those than a body on frame V-8 suburban...

Re: Audi 'lied' about safety testing of vehicles

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The BBC title is misleading. The article is clear that it was British Audi _dealers_ that lied about the cars having done the Euro NCAP safety tests.

The BBC has click baity headlines throughout. Notice the quote marks around "lied", which means that the BBC is reporting that someone told them that Audi lied. Which is, no doubt, a true statement regardless of whether Audi did or not.

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To those saying "it was the dealers, not Audi" I would say that becoming a dealer (in the UK at least) for a brand like Audi is not a simple matter of just applying to stick the Audi/VW badge up over the door. Audi have a responsibility to vet their official dealers. It's the expectation here. So it was the dealers directly, but since they are acting as Audi's representatives, I'd consider Audi to be culpable also.

You can't possibly vet someone that well. Audi may indeed have the responsibility to take action against this dealer and make things right, but the dealer's behavior shouldn't tarnish the image of the company.

Re: Audi 'lied' about safety testing of vehicles

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post #3

The BBC title is misleading. The article is clear that it was British Audi _dealers_ that lied about the cars having done the Euro NCAP safety tests.

The BBC has click baity headlines throughout. Notice the quote marks around "lied", which means that the BBC is reporting that someone told them that Audi lied. Which is, no doubt, a true statement regardless of whether Audi did or not.

A "lie" requires intent as per the response that "Audi UK said there had not been any deliberate intent to mislead". Audi dealers did make false claims which were misleading. You would need something in writing, like an email for example, to provide the intent and then uncover the "lies".

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To those saying "it was the dealers, not Audi" I would say that becoming a dealer (in the UK at least) for a brand like Audi is not a simple matter of just applying to stick the Audi/VW badge up over the door. Audi have a responsibility to vet their official dealers. It's the expectation here. So it was the dealers directly, but since they are acting as Audi's representatives, I'd consider Audi to be culpable also.

You can't possibly vet someone that well. Audi may indeed have the responsibility to take action against this dealer and make things right, but the dealer's behavior shouldn't tarnish the image of the company.

Yes, but as mentioned in the article, concerns had been raised five months before the BBC investigation. Which suggests that Audi only care about being caught.

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Title is misleading, it was the dealers.

The Audi trademark is used on Audi dealers and therefore Audi as sensible organisation should check and influence how their cars are represented. To the average consumer there is little or no difference between "Audi" and, for example, "Blade Audi"

I can't speak to the British auto dealer experience, but in the US, salespeople are often undertrained and don't actually know enough about what they're selling.

Volkswagen can't really push its influence onto the salespeople directly, it would need to go through the dealer.

Re: Audi 'lied' about safety testing of vehicles

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Title is misleading, it was the dealers.

The Audi trademark is used on Audi dealers and therefore Audi as sensible organisation should check and influence how their cars are represented. To the average consumer there is little or no difference between "Audi" and, for example, "Blade Audi"

My experience in the UK (with BMW and various VW brands) are that if you interact with a dealer then the car company phones you a few days later to ask you to rate the dealer - so it is pretty clear that they are separate organisations.

Most dealership staff pretty much plead with you to say nice things to the car company when they call - or at least if there are any problems you tell them first.

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