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Re: Source code of ASP.NET

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Post by bdcravens »

lucidquiet wrote: post #3

Too little, too late (imo). I'll think about it again once they have visual studio and all the good things running on *.nix. It's too much of a pain to get anything to work with a .net project, and then deploy on anything other than IIS.

There's definitely some places where this may be true, but there's a lot of locations and industries where .NET is firmly planted and not going anywhere anytime soon. For instance, Houston and the oil industry here (not just the big companies like Exxon, but the massive ecosystem surrounding petroleum). It may not be about winning new industries, but gaining the benefits of open source where they already are.

Re: Source code of ASP.NET

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Post by nivla »

lucidquiet wrote: post #3

Too little, too late (imo). I'll think about it again once they have visual studio and all the good things running on *.nix. It's too much of a pain to get anything to work with a .net project, and then deploy on anything other than IIS.

When company X that the hivemind dislikes makes it to the news, they are often criticized with not open sourcing their product Y. When they finally open source it, they are met with "Too late!". Sometimes there is no winning with people who have already made up their mind.

>Too little

Really? Its MS, their core products and the open source we are talking about. Heck they even open sourced it under a liberal license.

Re: Source code of ASP.NET

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Post by byte1918 »

dested wrote: post #35
chiph wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ASP.NET MVC is no longer a fad - a lot of the job openings I'm seeing are asking for it.

Id say its safe to say webforms is dead. The only job openings for it now are legacy systems.

SharePoint and there are probably others.

Re: Source code of ASP.NET

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Post by lucidquiet »

romanovcode wrote: post #36
lucidquiet wrote: post #3

Too little, too late (imo). I'll think about it again once they have visual studio and all the good things running on *.nix. It's too much of a pain to get anything to work with a .net project, and then deploy on anything other than IIS.

And what is impressive? Still rocking that LAMP stack, mate?

Nope, I'm not a fan of Php either actually. Mostly I rock the Java, Node, Clojure, Scala, *nix (mac), C++11 on Ubuntu and Mac with JS+Angular. I guess that's the stack mate.

Re: Source code of ASP.NET

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Post by soAsian »

dev360 wrote: post #38
justathrow2k wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too slow for what? Are you suggesting that .NET technology is traveling on a steady path towards becoming irrelevant?

Yes. Most users of .NET is in the enterprise (as opposed to tech and startups) and Java has positioned itself as the go-to platform for big data analytics and processing. I think this comes down to clinging to an antiquated product model. A lot of the technologies that are seeing rapid adoption are open source and driven by transparent communities. In some cases companies back them (e.g. cloudera, datastax, 10gen, ty…

>Yes. Most users of .NET is in the enterprise (as opposed to tech and startups)

what do you mean by tech? startups is too cool to associate themselves with Microsoft.

>Java has positioned itself as the go-to platform for big data analytics and processing.

F#

>I think this comes down to clinging to an antiquated product model.

.Net have always been a product aiming at LOB market. It is a replacement for VB6.

> A lot of the technologies that are seeing rapid adoption are open source and driven by transparent communities.

Oh yes, RoR is everywhere in corporate America and around the world. Node.js is what everyone is using for LOB.

Re: Source code of ASP.NET

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Post by mpeg »

dev360 wrote: post #39
mpeg wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is .NET losing relevance? You can make mobile apps with Xamarin, and apps for any desktop OS thanks to Mono. You can make high-quality 2D/3D games with Unity You can make high-performance web applications with ASP.NET + IIS.

Sure you can, but the technology of the future is not being built or run on windows stacks. You find it everywhere in the enterprise, yet almost every big new tech company that has come up in the last 10 years all rely primarily on open source technology.

Xamarin / Mono and Unity run pretty much everywhere. Unity even runs on WebGL, none of this is tied to windows stacks.

Also, Microsoft has a great startup programme with Bizspark, we built a company on it a few years ago that eventually ended up as part of a $700m acquisition

Re: Source code of ASP.NET

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Post by gagege »

dested wrote: post #35
chiph wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ASP.NET MVC is no longer a fad - a lot of the job openings I'm seeing are asking for it.

Id say its safe to say webforms is dead. The only job openings for it now are legacy systems.

That's what I'm trying to tell this senior developer at work. It's a pain.

Re: Source code of ASP.NET

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Post by skrebbel »

Folks, not much of this is new. Both Entity Framework and ASP.NET MVC were already open source for quite some time [0][1]. All the other repos are nearly empty.

The only real news here is that, indeed, ASP.NET vNext is going to be developed in the open, or at least to some extent. But right now, not a lot of code seems to be released that wasn't already out there (although I did not go through all the repos).

I don't think you should expect to find many current/legacy parts of ASP.NET that aren't open yet: this seems to be mostly for new stuff.

Finally, don't forget that "ASP.NET" doesn't seem to mean a lot (anymore): it's basically Microsoft actively shipping the org chart. Anything that's web related and from MS appears to get tacked "ASP.NET" on front of it. Cause really, what does ASP.NET MVC, basically a pretty uninspired Rails port to C# (and just an open source library like any other), have to do with "active server pages"?

[0] https://aspnet.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=MVC [1] https://entityframework.codeplex.com/

Re: Source code of ASP.NET

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Post by daigoba66 »

One should note that this is the "new" ASP.NET. The old version, the one explicitly tied to IIS, is not and will probably never be open source software.

They're building a new stack from the ground up. Which is the only way, really, to make it "cross platform".

Re: Source code of ASP.NET

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Post by mrspeaker »

ellisike wrote: post #6

Scott Guthrie is amazing. He's behind all the open source projects. Some of them are even taking pull requests. Entity Framework, MVC, ASP.NET, etc are all popular and open source.

Yep - he's the guy that got me into .NET mvc and alt.net... which turned out to be a gateway drug to Ruby on Rails then Scala. (Genuinely) Thanks Scott!
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