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Google Maps Has Forsaken Us

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Is this where we get to complain about how horrible Google Maps suddenly is? Because wow. I can speak about this. It's terrible. First and foremost, and they have their "reasons" of course, but my Samsung Rant (yeah just a feature phone) always had great maps. Just a simple Java app, built on the maps API. Well that doesn't work anymore. Like, nothing. Google basically says "Get an Android phone, sucker." F U Google.…

Let me be contrarian here. I really like Google Map's redesign.

I have an iPhone 4, still running iOS 6. The Google Maps app has one of the best user experience I have on my phone, hands down. Turn-by-turn navigation works flawlessly. Traffic information is almost real-time, no doubt thanks to their acquisition of Waze. The app gets the little things right as well - like displaying alternate routes, along with a time estimation, directly on the map itself during navigation.

As for the desktop website, I really have no idea what you're talking about. Maps still feels pretty smooth - and I use a MacBook Air. I like the fact that they removed a lot of cruft so that you can see more of the, well, map.

Re: Google Maps Has Forsaken Us

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Here is the thing ... the clicking on a point on the math and getting info was a great feature. I loved it. I am also sure that there is no way Google simply removed it. But they did. The closest I can find is RIGHT CLICK/WHAT'S HERE.

really? clicking the map on desktop maps should do the same thing as right-click->whats-here. it does for me anyway.

What is your environment? I am on Windows 7 and Chrome 34.0.1847.131 m.

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I am having trouble locating it. Am I looking in the right place? http://i.imgur.com/QJxKMMc.png

Your screenshot looks like you're already in classic maps, this is the bottom right of the new version: http://i.imgur.com/K9PJI5V.png

Well, this is embarrassing. Thanks for the follow-up.

Re: Google Maps Has Forsaken Us

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Is this where we get to complain about how horrible Google Maps suddenly is? Because wow. I can speak about this. It's terrible. First and foremost, and they have their "reasons" of course, but my Samsung Rant (yeah just a feature phone) always had great maps. Just a simple Java app, built on the maps API. Well that doesn't work anymore. Like, nothing. Google basically says "Get an Android phone, sucker." F U Google.…

> What happened?

Apple Maps became useful again (for us iOS users)

Re: Google Maps Has Forsaken Us

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The old google maps allows you to paste KML file URL's into the search, now it doesn't work, you have to revert to the old version. ps. KML files were developed by Google for maps...

Keyhole created KML for use in their earth viewer. Later, Google bought them and branded the software as Google Earth.

Supporting KML in the web maps was just a neat thing Google also did.

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This is a bad article. It tries to draw some kind of causality link between the new maps UI and a couple of bad search results that the author received. (And then tries to blame it on some completely random academic paper written by Googlers, which as far as I can tell doesn't even have a hint of being from a geo-context, and doesn't look particularly applicable to geocoding or local searches). Of course blaming the…

So they had a project with usable interface and sub optimal searching, and they decided to "fix" the UI but not the searching?

No, of course not. What kind of a comment is that anyway? You appear to be doing exactly the same kind of conflating of the UI and the backend that I was complaining about. There's a bunch of people whose job is to improve the search quality. They're largely not going to be the same people who'll work on the UI, so it's not some kind of either-or choice.

But it's a very difficult problem where it's rare that a change is uniformly beneficial, that's insanely dependent on frequently changing input data, and that users are very unforgiving about. My theory on the last point is that a map search is much more concrete than a web search. People have an intuition both about what the right answer should be, as well as an expectation that there is a right answer in the first place. But of course that's not the case, and the results are never going to be optimal. (I.e. your "sub optimal searching" bit is a bit of a truism).

I used to work on the Google maps geocoding team a long time ago. At that time amazing amounts of CPU and engineer time would be spent on verifying the quality of all algorithm and data changes, both during development and during launch. Changes that were unevaluated or were a net negative on quality would only be launched under very exceptional circumstances. Now, the evaluation would of course not be a fully deterministic process, it'd always need to be based on some kind of sampling. But on average that should still mean quality ratcheting up slowly. Maybe things have changed since then and stuff is just randomly launched with no regard to quality, but I have no particular reason to believe so. To me it seems much more likely that the anecdotes from the article don't represent any kind of trend.

Re: Google Maps Has Forsaken Us

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post #101

Is this where we get to complain about how horrible Google Maps suddenly is? Because wow. I can speak about this. It's terrible. First and foremost, and they have their "reasons" of course, but my Samsung Rant (yeah just a feature phone) always had great maps. Just a simple Java app, built on the maps API. Well that doesn't work anymore. Like, nothing. Google basically says "Get an Android phone, sucker." F U Google.…

Let me be contrarian here. I really like Google Map's redesign. I have an iPhone 4, still running iOS 6. The Google Maps app has one of the best user experience I have on my phone, hands down. Turn-by-turn navigation works flawlessly. Traffic information is almost real-time, no doubt thanks to their acquisition of Waze. The app gets the little things right as well - like displaying alternate routes, along with a time…

Ditto, I've never had issue with it, driven all around the UK directed by Google maps in navigation mode and apart from the odd postcode fail it's been incredibly reliable in getting me from A to B.

Re: Google Maps Has Forsaken Us

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Is this where we get to complain about how horrible Google Maps suddenly is? Because wow. I can speak about this. It's terrible. First and foremost, and they have their "reasons" of course, but my Samsung Rant (yeah just a feature phone) always had great maps. Just a simple Java app, built on the maps API. Well that doesn't work anymore. Like, nothing. Google basically says "Get an Android phone, sucker." F U Google.…

> Secondly, the desktop (and basically the tablet experience too is the same) has gotten terrible. It takes a really long time before my mouse event matters. By this time, the screen, since it's still resolving and moving things around the canvas or whatever the hell it's doing, well by the time my mouse event registers, the object I wanted has moved away. I'm now doing something else!

Even though it does more, I've noticed maps is faster on desktop for me than it used to be, and I'm not using particularly high-powered machines. But the older one has a fairly decent (if by no means current) ATI graphics card and the one with integrated Intel graphics is a fairly new laptop, so if GPU rendering is involved (WebGL or otherwise) even relative old-new performance could be very system dependent.

> Directions. Just so retarded. The accordion shit on the left. Just show me the effing directions, like you used to.

It is one more click to do that, OTOH the reason is that it provides several alternate routes (with on-map preview), to start with, plus makes the route options + multiple destination routing UIs available. Personally, I find the new UI much more useful than the old one.

> Also, just simple double-clicking to zoom. Extremely less useful than it used to be: just this one simple thing.

Is your complaint that you don't have drag to zoom any more? That's true, but then, if you are a keyboard user (which your complaint about tabbing around the directions UI suggests), you can use +/- to zoom, in addition to double-clicking.

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