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Australian government likely to standardise on Drupal

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Re: Australian government likely to standardise on Drupal

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at least its not squiz

Amen, brother! Or sister. Or eukaryotic organisms. Whatever. So what happened to Squiz? It was the godawful piece of shit that I criticised in the /. post that kinda-sorta lost me my job with AGIMO, so I wouldn't mind knowing how long it took for me to be proved right.

Pretty sure Squiz is still running a number of University sites which was always their core audience.

Re: Australian government likely to standardise on Drupal

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I don't know if the U.S. federal gov can be said to have "standardized" on Drupal, but parts of it are still run on Drupal, including Whitehouse.gov. However, there used to be more U.S. Drupal sites, including Data.gov...there was even some hubabaloo about them releasing the source code: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/12/05/datagov-goes-globa... https://groups.drupal.org/node/194808 Viewing the source code of th…

Looks like that site uses WordPress for the index site, but as soon as you make a search you are redirected to a site based on something called CKAN ( http://ckan.org ), a dedicated data searching engine. Probably better than Drupal for that purpose anyhow. Can't see how that is damning for drupal.

CKAN has been around for awhile AFAIK, back even in the Drupal 5.x days, there was a CKAN module for Drupal.

From CKAN's webpage:

http://ckan.org

> Strong integration with third-party CMS’s like Drupal and WordPress

There was no explicit reason to switch front-end sites...But think about it...creating Data.gov was a large endeavor, but it's certainly not a mission critical one. Just a couple years after building that initiative from scratch, they throw out Drupal for WordPress instead of using their existing Drupal installation and installing CKAN modules. How does that not reflect badly on Drupal, which bills itself as a much more powerful, flexible CMS than your standard blog system?

Re: Australian government likely to standardise on Drupal

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First, let me say I'm not a CMS zealot. I've implemented Drupal, Sitecore, Wordpress[1], and many others. I believe in using the right tool for the job based on time, price, and capability. That said, Drupal is, without a doubt, the most complicated, confusing, and counter-intuitive piece of crap I've ever used and/or implemented. I feel sorry for the users that I've been required to subject to that monstrosity. Anyone who looks at Drupal and thinks, "Yep, that's what I need for my site!" should be considered incompetent for whatever job they have.

[1] Wordpress isn't really a CMS, but it is treated like one at many corporations.

Re: Australian government likely to standardise on Drupal

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I worked with Drupal for 2 years (built a specific niche business social network on top of it) and it was the worst two years of my life as a programmer.

I literally will not touch Drupal projects, I'll go back to working retail before I'd be a Drupal developer again, it is an unremittingly awful platform to work on.

The front end experience is horrible (even with all the tweaks in the world), CCK/Views made it just about useful then they rolled that into core but only some of it, you can forget an upgrade path between major versions in any real world scenario, the hook system is just plain bonkers.

I honestly don't know how it got a reputation as the goto open source enterprise CMS, Joomla must have been truly terrible for Drupal to be the preferred solution.

In the time I spent beating that monstrosity into shape I could have built the same functionality in a fraction of the time using something like Symfony.

This was in the days of the 6 to 7 rollover, things may have improved, frankly I've very carefully not looked.

Re: Australian government likely to standardise on Drupal

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I used to work for AGIMO, and I personally implemented the first version of australia.gov.au. Funny story: I got caught posting something on Slashdot that they interpreted as critical of their decision making (spoiler: it was, because their decision making was hideous ), so they decided not to renew my contract. They still had me doing the australia.gov.au project though. I took what was, basically, a Photoshop docum…

I'm curious which mob it was, I know pretty much all of them up here, and I have an inkling as to who it might've been...

I don't remember, sorry.

Re: Australian government likely to standardise on Drupal

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The Australian Government CTO's blog post (on finance.gov.au - where else?): http://www.finance.gov.au/blog/2014/05/07/seeking-industry-c... The draft Statement of Requirements for GovCMS: http://www.finance.gov.au/sites/default/files/GovCMS%20State... Some notable tidbits: - No analysis seems to have been done on the approach of hiring their own developers to develop a custom-yet-cohesive solution, a la Gov.uk. - Th…

Sounds about right. The sad thing is the Australian government produces great in-house software when they do it - but for some reason "outsource it all" has taken hold all through the place lately.

Re: Australian government likely to standardise on Drupal

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Not sure if anyone realizes this, but Drupal is what powers none other than whitehouse.gov. They even were kind enough to open source some of their tooling around Drupal. It is pretty neat stuff.

https://github.com/WhiteHouse/fortyfour

http://whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/04/21/whitehousegov-releases...

Re: Australian government likely to standardise on Drupal

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I worked with Drupal for 2 years (built a specific niche business social network on top of it) and it was the worst two years of my life as a programmer. I literally will not touch Drupal projects, I'll go back to working retail before I'd be a Drupal developer again, it is an unremittingly awful platform to work on. The front end experience is horrible (even with all the tweaks in the world), CCK/Views made it just…

With regards to Joomla, it really is terrible when it comes to security. Versions 1.5-2.5 have major vulnerabilities that allows anyone to create an admin user unless you disable account registration. Popular plugins like TinyMCE allowed unauthorised users to upload arbitrary files with a specially crafted request.

There are also plenty of bots that scan for vulnerable Joomla installs as they do with Wordpress.

Re: Australian government likely to standardise on Drupal

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Not sure if anyone realizes this, but Drupal is what powers none other than whitehouse.gov. They even were kind enough to open source some of their tooling around Drupal. It is pretty neat stuff. https://github.com/WhiteHouse/fortyfour http://whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/04/21/whitehousegov-releases...

It's probably the most used among Federal agencies, including top level departments: https://groups.drupal.org/government-sites#USA
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