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How We Get Tall

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Re: How We Get Tall

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post #10

"It wasn’t until well after the invention of cars and antibiotics that the average European man outgrew today’s average American teenaged girl." Am I missing something or is that a really bizarre statement?

It's a bit odd. Instead of just saying "Until the 1940s, average European men were shorter than today's average American girl", the author tried to spice it up with a historical reference. Surprised the editor didn't demand it be changed.

Re: How We Get Tall

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post #10

"It wasn’t until well after the invention of cars and antibiotics that the average European man outgrew today’s average American teenaged girl." Am I missing something or is that a really bizarre statement?

Females are shorter than males. Adults are taller than teenagers.

It's saying it took until the 1930+s for European men to reach levels of height we'd consider normal for teenaged girls today.

Re: How We Get Tall

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post #12
post #10

"It wasn’t until well after the invention of cars and antibiotics that the average European man outgrew today’s average American teenaged girl." Am I missing something or is that a really bizarre statement?

Females are shorter than males. Adults are taller than teenagers. It's saying it took until the 1930+s for European men to reach levels of height we'd consider normal for teenaged girls today.

Yeah, this reminds me of a somewhat chilling moment when a chinese teenager asked me what I was reading about (regression to the mean).

By way of introducing the concept, I asked "if someone is very tall, are their parents probably taller or shorter than they are?" "Shorter". So far so good.

"If someone is very short, are their parents taller or shorter?" "Shorter".

Apparently, to the current generation, no matter how short you are, your parents are shorter. Long live the CCP :/

Re: How We Get Tall

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I would be more interested in a 'door height' study. In lots of rural areas you have doors that are clearly built with the expectation that nobody taller than 5'6" would darken the doorway. I believe hats were more prevalent in these pre-motorcar times so there was even less height consideration made.

Doors tell their own story, big cities have been redeveloped (and bombed) whereas rural areas or places that have not got much of a look in since the early days of the industrial revolution have not.

Given that there is no theory that fully holds water on why we grow tall (I personally blame the Green Revolution), you could probably blur correlation/causation in a 'door and mattress size' study to conclude that 'if we make the doors bigger then people grow to fill them'.

Re: How We Get Tall

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Females are shorter than males. Adults are taller than teenagers. It's saying it took until the 1930+s for European men to reach levels of height we'd consider normal for teenaged girls today.

Yeah, this reminds me of a somewhat chilling moment when a chinese teenager asked me what I was reading about (regression to the mean). By way of introducing the concept, I asked "if someone is very tall, are their parents probably taller or shorter than they are?" "Shorter". So far so good. "If someone is very short, are their parents taller or shorter?" "Shorter". Apparently, to the current generation, no matter ho…

As people get older, their height gets shorter. It's not entirely wrong to believe that your parents will be shorter than you, no matter what your height is.

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We still haven't reached the average height we were 40000 years ago[1]. Agriculture allowed us to feed many more people, but it came at a terrible price on human health. And the fact that the article says we are taller now than we have ever been in history, which is patently not true, casts a serious level of doubt on the article. 1. http://australianmuseum.net.au/How-have-we-changed-since-our...

> but it came at a terrible price on human health.

Could you elaborate please.

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I thought the Maasai people of East Africa were the tallest. Their height is all the more impressive considering their rough lifestyles and nutrition.

They may be, but you won't see them influence per country average length much, as there are no countries where the fraction of Maasai in the population is large.

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We still haven't reached the average height we were 40000 years ago[1]. Agriculture allowed us to feed many more people, but it came at a terrible price on human health. And the fact that the article says we are taller now than we have ever been in history, which is patently not true, casts a serious level of doubt on the article. 1. http://australianmuseum.net.au/How-have-we-changed-since-our...

>"We are now generally shorter, lighter and smaller boned than our ancestors were 100,000 years ago. The decrease has been gradual but has been most noticeable in the last 10,000 years. However, there has been some slight reversal to this trend in the last few centuries as the average height has started to increase."

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

Another very interesting fact - brain gets smaller in volume and unlike height, this trend is still not reversed (not sure about weight, though).

Re: How We Get Tall

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We still haven't reached the average height we were 40000 years ago[1]. Agriculture allowed us to feed many more people, but it came at a terrible price on human health. And the fact that the article says we are taller now than we have ever been in history, which is patently not true, casts a serious level of doubt on the article. 1. http://australianmuseum.net.au/How-have-we-changed-since-our...

> We still haven't reached the average height we were 40000 years ago[1]

Yes we do, there are a number of countries where the average height is close to 183 cm (average in your article, though there are no citations given for that fact): The Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Serbia, ... In the Dinaric Alps, it even reach 186 cm, so in fact we ARE taller today[1].

But another article[2] with actual sources point to an 176.2 cm average, much smaller than today.

> but it came at a terrible price on human health

[Citation needed]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height#Average_height_ar...

[2] http://archaeology.about.com/od/earlymansites/a/cro_magnon.h...

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