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London black taxis plan congestion chaos to block Uber

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Re: London black taxis plan congestion chaos to block Uber

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What a deplorable, luddite attitude. The black taxis should be banned for some period of time for this behavior. "The Licensed Taxi Drivers Association complains that Uber's drivers are using a smartphone app to calculate fares despite it being illegal for private vehicles to be fitted with taximeters." So using this website in your car is illegal?! http://www.worldtaximeter.com/

You're either a minicab offering pre-booked journeys or you're a taxi with a meter. If Uber is claiming they're a pre-booked journey service rather than a taxi then yes, they shouldn't be using meters and that would be illegal. If you want to change the law then by all means write to your MP or whatever, but in the meantime the law as it is should be enforced, even against fashionable companies.

> but in the meantime the law as it is should be enforced

This attitude puzzles me greatly. Rule of law is a principle, not a dogmatic application of The Rules Über Alles. Crap laws should be ignored.

Re: London black taxis plan congestion chaos to block Uber

#102

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Although I'm not an expert in the history of UK taxis, my impression is that a good number of the regulations were imposed by the government, due to complaints from the public about quality/maintenance/knowledgeability/numbers. That seems to have been the impetus for the original 1662 Act imposing a mandatory licensing requirement, at least: Londoners thought there were too many taxis clogging up the roads, and furth…

Sorry, I guess I should say I wasn't speaking with any experience of taxis in London. My statement mostly applies to things I've read/heard about taxis in the US and Canada.

The perverse way that taxis are regulated in the US (medallions and so on) seems to be completely unique to the US, or perhaps North America. It's not how things work in Europe. Uber and friends were started in the US as a sensible reaction against that perversity. They make a lot less sense in Europe.

See also the Coin wallet, various payment services, etc, which were conceived to address inefficiencies that are unique parts of the US financial service industry.

Re: London black taxis plan congestion chaos to block Uber

#103

I wonder how legal that is. 'If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding [F1 level 3 on the standard scale].' - Highways Act 1980 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/66/part/IX/crosshea...

The right to protest is also enshrined in UK law (within a huge number of constraints). Other (one-off or infrequent) protests such as Critical Mass certainly obstruct free passage along the highway, but they are tolerated.

Critical Mass isn't a protest, it's a procession, and it's not tolerated, it's operating perfectly within the rights of its participants: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldjudgmt/j...

Re: London black taxis plan congestion chaos to block Uber

#104
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But in 2014, there should be no need to make people memorize those thing to the risk of their heads exploding. Maybe if the Black Cabs had used their network to create an AI-powered optimal route-finding system, they wouldn't be afraid of competition.

Having taken a non black cab yesterday which involved the driver reprogramming the sat-nav, whilst talking on his Bluetooth and handing my friend a business card, I'm OK with relying on human knowledge once in a while.

You chose to take a non-black-cab, right?

I may not have all the facts, but I think it's fine for the black cabs to offer a luxury service that you need to pass a hard test to join. This is distinct from making it illegal for someone else to offer an inferior service at a discounted price.

Re: London black taxis plan congestion chaos to block Uber

#105
post #79
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Umm, citation needed. Salaries are usually at least 50% of a company's expenses, and UK tax on salaries will be 30-40% of that, so that's at least 15-20%, likely more.

Citation needed for sure, but being a big % of expenses doesn't mean anything either way - salaries could be 100% of your expenses, and tax rates could be 90%, but if the company has revenue of 100x and expenditure of 10x then 90% of that 100% is still only 9x, which is the equivilent to a 10% tax on their 90x company profits. (Equally, salaries could be a small percentage of expenditure, but if the company makes onl…

90% would be an extraordinary profit margin. Virtually no business operates with a 90% profit margin. Startups certainly don't.

Re: London black taxis plan congestion chaos to block Uber

#106

The impression is that Uber are somehow freeing customers from unscrupulous and gouging taxi drivers. Taxi customers aren't being freed, they're simply under new management.

New management gave us a 50% price cut and better customer service. I'll take it.

Re: London black taxis plan congestion chaos to block Uber

#107

The impression is that Uber are somehow freeing customers from unscrupulous and gouging taxi drivers. Taxi customers aren't being freed, they're simply under new management.

They're obviously getting something out of it or they wouldn't be customers of the new service.

Re: London black taxis plan congestion chaos to block Uber

#108
post #21

Well, if the end result is I can travel a mile in a London cab without selling a kidney, I can't say I'm too worried about Uber coming in.

If you want to travel a mile, you can just walk.

Well, exactly. If I want to travel a distance that could be usefully traversed in a cab, then it's both kidneys and half a pound of bone-marrow.

Also, I only ever get taxis when I'm in a state of refreshment sufficiently advanced that walking becomes unwise.

Re: London black taxis plan congestion chaos to block Uber

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post #87
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I live anyone can be a cab. You raise your hand on any street any time of day and some car will stop. As a result, prices are normally 3 times lower compared to the US. You negotiate the price with drivers beforehand and you don't have to tip them because all of the money go directly into the driver's pocket. I've never heard anyone complain about this system. Now tell me how is this a bad idea?

Your argument is that cheapest must be best? Try safety of the passenger, upkeep of the vehicle, all the other reasons mentioned elsewhere on this page...

Licensing is good for safety. Upkeep as part of safety is important, otherwise not. If they neglect to keep the car working they'll drop out of the market, no harm done. If they neglect to keep it pretty no harm is done.

Re: London black taxis plan congestion chaos to block Uber

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post #105
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation needed for sure, but being a big % of expenses doesn't mean anything either way - salaries could be 100% of your expenses, and tax rates could be 90%, but if the company has revenue of 100x and expenditure of 10x then 90% of that 100% is still only 9x, which is the equivilent to a 10% tax on their 90x company profits. (Equally, salaries could be a small percentage of expenditure, but if the company makes onl…

90% would be an extraordinary profit margin. Virtually no business operates with a 90% profit margin. Startups certainly don't.

Ignore my numbers, my point was just that without knowing total amount spent on salaries, total net profit, and the tax rates on both, there's no way to state which is going to provide more taxes, and that therefore there's no point talking numbers on one side without the other side to match. (But yes, your point is accurate.)
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