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Every Country Will Have Armed Drones Within Ten Years

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Re: Every Country Will Have Armed Drones Within Ten Years

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> Every country ... Only every country that is, wants to be or pretends to be a military power. Many (smaller) countries realized long ago that if they would end up at war with a much larger neighbour, their own military power would be of no use, and gave up on maintaining and building self-sufficient military machines. Instead, they focus on a certain aspect of military operations, and develop and maintain that segm…

Armed drones could be a very cheap, effective part of any such strategy.

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Heck, I can have an armed drone next month. Buy a quadrotor coptor, an Arduino kit, a camera and a GPS chip. Some software and anybody can deliver a charge to a location and make a Youtube video of the whole thing. Its way past technology outpacing our ability to react. The brave new world is here, with such wonders in it.

FWIW, a model aircraft would have more payload, longer air time, and require less software to build than a quad rotor...

Quadrotors are cool, but severely limited in the range, time aloft, and payload categories.

Re: Every Country Will Have Armed Drones Within Ten Years

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Something that wasn't mentioned is command & control. 1st tier militaries will have satellite communications, and be able to operate their drones world-wide. 2nd & 3rd tier militaries will have nearby ground-stations, with control capabilities limited to just-over-the-horizon.

Again, control of the high-ground is key.

    With regard to PRECIPITOUS HEIGHTS, if you are 
    beforehand with your adversary, you should occupy
    the raised and sunny spots, and there wait for him
    to come up.

Re: Every Country Will Have Armed Drones Within Ten Years

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And if it was practicable and effective it would have been done already. The IRA experimented with this decades ago and gave up and lest be honest the average al Qaeda terrorist cell would find using human suicide bombers much easier to use.

You have been watching too much CNN. Your comment is the silliest thing I have read on HN in a long time. Leonardo da Vinci experimented with flight many centuries ago. He gave up. Which came first, the widespread availability of drones or the Good Friday Agreement? How do you get a 'human suicide bomber' in to some place like Number 10 Downing Street? You don't. You don't even use a drone. You use a mortar bomb: htt…

Terrorists only use the tactics their people can execute effectively which is why terry talliban use crude IED's and target soft civilian targets and don't go toe to toe with the SAS.

The IRA did experiment with RC planes as an attack vector they decided that it was not worth the effort - Car bombs and improvised mortars where a better weapon more bang for the buck

Why exactly do you think my comment was silly?

Re: Every Country Will Have Armed Drones Within Ten Years

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And how would the USA stop other sovereign country's from building UAV's. FFS drones are basicly RC planes not Nukes

> FFS drones are basicly RC planes.... Ahem . It's a bit of a stretch to call Reapers and Predators RC planes. Not to mentioned UAV spacecraft [1, 2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37 [2] http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/unmanned-air-force-space-plane-l...

the V1 had far less controllability than a model rc plane but was an effective UAV back in ww2

Re: Every Country Will Have Armed Drones Within Ten Years

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Defensive versus attacking capabilities differ very strongly though. The quagmire defense is not soo expensive, I would think. For example, Switzerland has lots of basements and guns and gun training. That just sounds like such a lame headache to take and hold.

A great example of the cost discrepancy in the context of drones: You see a "drone" flying towards you. Is it a) a dressed up $20 RC toy plane, or b) a flying bomb that can take lives or take out hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of dollars of hardware? Presumably, you wouldn't want to risk b), which means for every instance of a) you'd presumably end up committing resources to counter it, if the odds of b) ar…

I feel like that must have been mentioned in an Ia(i)n Banks Culture novel somewhere...

Re: Every Country Will Have Armed Drones Within Ten Years

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Heck, I can have an armed drone next month. Buy a quadrotor coptor, an Arduino kit, a camera and a GPS chip. Some software and anybody can deliver a charge to a location and make a Youtube video of the whole thing. Its way past technology outpacing our ability to react. The brave new world is here, with such wonders in it.

FWIW, a model aircraft would have more payload, longer air time, and require less software to build than a quad rotor... Quadrotors are cool, but severely limited in the range, time aloft, and payload categories.

But quadrotors can be dialed in to an arbitrary GPS coordinate accurately and deliver a payload. That's the whole ballgame with assassination or sabotage.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, a model aircraft would have more payload, longer air time, and require less software to build than a quad rotor... Quadrotors are cool, but severely limited in the range, time aloft, and payload categories.

But quadrotors can be dialed in to an arbitrary GPS coordinate accurately and deliver a payload. That's the whole ballgame with assassination or sabotage.

The only place a quadrotor would shine above a model aircraft in this case would be moving into a building. Any open air location would be equally vulnerable to either solution, with the model aircraft capable of bringing more to the party, as it were.

Re: Every Country Will Have Armed Drones Within Ten Years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have been watching too much CNN. Your comment is the silliest thing I have read on HN in a long time. Leonardo da Vinci experimented with flight many centuries ago. He gave up. Which came first, the widespread availability of drones or the Good Friday Agreement? How do you get a 'human suicide bomber' in to some place like Number 10 Downing Street? You don't. You don't even use a drone. You use a mortar bomb: htt…

Terrorists only use the tactics their people can execute effectively which is why terry talliban use crude IED's and target soft civilian targets and don't go toe to toe with the SAS. The IRA did experiment with RC planes as an attack vector they decided that it was not worth the effort - Car bombs and improvised mortars where a better weapon more bang for the buck Why exactly do you think my comment was silly?

Where is this evidence you have of the IRA using drones? I assume there is some, I assume you have it, so it should be no problem to post a link, or maybe two links as single source is sometimes not good enough.

Have you been to Afghanistan? Ever met a genuine terrorist? You seem to make assumptions as if you know how these terrorist people think.

Earlier you were talking about those fictional 'al-qaeda' fellows, not to be confused with those genuine 'Taliban' (the word means 'students'). There is a difference, that is why we have these different labels and words for things, it helps us to explain what we mean. You can't just use any old words interchangeably and spell things wrongly.

Regarding your digressions...

I have been watching the news and, from what I can remember, these 'Taliban' of yours have been attacking paid up military folk and the mercenary civilian contractors sent there on some bounty hunt to support a military operation. The general idea is that, wherever you live, you attack an uninvited occupying army, it does not matter where they are from, how trans-gendered they are, whether they call themselves 'SAS' or whatever. If there are soldiers in silly little uniforms occupying your country then they are fair game to the likes of 'the talliban' (your spelling).

If I remember, the 'Coalition of the Willing', of which I guess you support wholeheartedly from the comfort of your armchair, bombed the Red Cross food depot, not once, but twice. They have also bombed plenty of wedding parties. I think you will find these are 'soft targets'.

All considered, I think it is about time you got off your armchair and went to see a bit of the real world.

Re: Every Country Will Have Armed Drones Within Ten Years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But quadrotors can be dialed in to an arbitrary GPS coordinate accurately and deliver a payload. That's the whole ballgame with assassination or sabotage.

The only place a quadrotor would shine above a model aircraft in this case would be moving into a building. Any open air location would be equally vulnerable to either solution, with the model aircraft capable of bringing more to the party, as it were.

...or operating around obstacles (trees, overhangs, vehicles). Anyplace that has to be approached in anything except a fast horizontal vector, which in town is any place at all pretty much?

Add to that identifying a target visually and tracking. A plane could hit a fixed target but if its moving, a model plane could have an awful time matching speed and direction.

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