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I love how, through all the hate and bandwagoning, some people don't get discouraged and actually do something to improve the product. We still do new projects in PHP and we couldn't be happier.
> We still do new projects in PHP and we couldn't be happier. I concur, especially when frameworks like Symfony exist. Reading all this smack talk about PHP on HN is so alien considering how thriving the PHP community actually is.
The parser needs to be rewritten really.
> Wordpress 3.6 – 20.0% gain (253 vs 211 req/sec) How do you generate 211 pages per second on Wordpress to begin with? My server does page generation for my own custom-built blog in ~15ms, but takes a whopping three seconds for a single Wordpress page. I know it's somewhat offtopic and it's about the relative results, but what hardware is this?
My Linode VPS spits out WordPress pages in 33.811ms (via ApacheBench, concurrency=10 for a couple hundred requests). I don't use any kind of content/page cache. There's no reason WordPress would be 200 times slower than your custom blog -- WordPress isn't some kind of complex software. It's a handful of very small PHP classes that choose a theme file based on the URL, include it, run a database query to select some p…
> Wordpress 3.6 – 20.0% gain (253 vs 211 req/sec) How do you generate 211 pages per second on Wordpress to begin with? My server does page generation for my own custom-built blog in ~15ms, but takes a whopping three seconds for a single Wordpress page. I know it's somewhat offtopic and it's about the relative results, but what hardware is this?
Could just be your hosting. For example, with Media Temple (years ago) I found it often took 7+ seconds just to redirect www to non-www, up to 12 seconds. Pingdom is a good tool to see where you're getting stuck http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/ Another common problem, your MySQL database could be overloaded (especially with shared hosting) and more caching won't necessarily solve the problem.
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My Linode VPS spits out WordPress pages in 33.811ms (via ApacheBench, concurrency=10 for a couple hundred requests). I don't use any kind of content/page cache. There's no reason WordPress would be 200 times slower than your custom blog -- WordPress isn't some kind of complex software. It's a handful of very small PHP classes that choose a theme file based on the URL, include it, run a database query to select some p…
I meant a clean wordpress install. No themes, no plugins, just a basic install. Three seconds. My own blog does about 3 mysql queries and manages that in 8ms at best (usually 22ms at worst; typical seems to be around 15ms). The most limiting factor for Wordpress was cpu speed.
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> We still do new projects in PHP and we couldn't be happier. I concur, especially when frameworks like Symfony exist. Reading all this smack talk about PHP on HN is so alien considering how thriving the PHP community actually is.
Nobody mentions how much or little the PHP community thrives. People point out how bad PHP compares against other languages. The fact that you enjoy using PHP and that you can create great products with it does not imply that it has no flaws. Many have been where you are now, and then moved on to other languages to never ever look back. From what I've seen, the reverse is much less common.
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Just try to imagine HHVM in year or two. Zend PHP will be irrelevant by then.
Irrelevant how? I doubt BlueHost, HostGator, Dreamhost, etc, and on and on will have implemented HHVM as their core PHP offering by then. Most web hosts still have PHP 5.3 installed, and even the PHP 5.4 I've used on Media Temple's servers is out of date. But at the rate PHP's release cycle has accelerated (remember that 5.3 dates from 2009...) it's entirely likely that the trend will continue. And more hosts are off…
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My Linode VPS spits out WordPress pages in 33.811ms (via ApacheBench, concurrency=10 for a couple hundred requests). I don't use any kind of content/page cache. There's no reason WordPress would be 200 times slower than your custom blog -- WordPress isn't some kind of complex software. It's a handful of very small PHP classes that choose a theme file based on the URL, include it, run a database query to select some p…
I meant a clean wordpress install. No themes, no plugins, just a basic install. Three seconds. My own blog does about 3 mysql queries and manages that in 8ms at best (usually 22ms at worst; typical seems to be around 15ms). The most limiting factor for Wordpress was cpu speed.
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> We still do new projects in PHP and we couldn't be happier. I concur, especially when frameworks like Symfony exist. Reading all this smack talk about PHP on HN is so alien considering how thriving the PHP community actually is.
Nobody mentions how much or little the PHP community thrives. People point out how bad PHP compares against other languages. The fact that you enjoy using PHP and that you can create great products with it does not imply that it has no flaws. Many have been where you are now, and then moved on to other languages to never ever look back. From what I've seen, the reverse is much less common.
I don't actually think that faults in a language matter that much if the people using it are competent. Both Javascript and Perl come close to PHP in terms of negative traits, yet a lot of good software was written with both. The same can be said about PHP, the only difference is that people on HN have very little idea about what contemporary PHP (language and software) looks like.