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Re: Chinese Number Websites

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vorg wrote: post #83
ezl wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japanese does have the phenomenon of being able to ascribe meaning to digits though, even though it's not common to do so in URLs. In school in japan, kids often learn tricks for memorizing multiplication tables and square roots this way, similar to how US high school students have a song for the roots of a quadratic (-b /- root(b^2-4ac... to the tune of Pop Goes The Weasel). For example: sqrt 2 = 1.41421356 (night a…

> Japanese is arguably richer than Chinese for this because there are multiple pronunciations for each digit In Mandarin Chinese, 0= ling or dong, 1= yi or yao, 2= er or liang.

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Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by [deleted] »

vorg wrote: post #83
ezl wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japanese does have the phenomenon of being able to ascribe meaning to digits though, even though it's not common to do so in URLs. In school in japan, kids often learn tricks for memorizing multiplication tables and square roots this way, similar to how US high school students have a song for the roots of a quadratic (-b /- root(b^2-4ac... to the tune of Pop Goes The Weasel). For example: sqrt 2 = 1.41421356 (night a…

> Japanese is arguably richer than Chinese for this because there are multiple pronunciations for each digit In Mandarin Chinese, 0= ling or dong, 1= yi or yao, 2= er or liang.

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Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by n09n »

dperfect wrote: post #58
zokier wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While it doesn't mention punycode directly, it has paragraph referring to IDN: Why don’t Chinese web addresses just use Mandarin characters? Because that’s a pain, too. The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), which sets the rules for web addresses globally, has periodically hyped the expansion of domain names to include non-Latinate scripts, but Chinese web sites have yet to take full advanta…

Sounds like the core problem is just "Chinese web sites have yet to take full advantage". I'm really wondering how many (or what percentage of) devices actually need "a special plug-in". Seems like it would be a very small - and shrinking - fraction, but I could be wrong. If the user's device is (presumably) already set to use Mandarin (or any specific language), then I assume that would be the default input method,…

When typing Chinese characters, each character takes multiple key strokes. If each character is a numeral, it's one keystroke per character. It's like an acronym.

Re: Chinese Number Websites

#94

Post by jingwen »

manifesto wrote: post #7

One reason why Chinese have less difficulty remembering and using these numbers than the western fellows might be the difference in pronunciation. In Chinese, all single digit number has the same structure: a consonant plus a vowel. For example, 7, in Chinese is pronounced as [ch-i:], while in English is pronounced as [ˈsɛvən]. Also, every digit takes the same time to pronounce. For example, a string "123456" is [yi:…

This is accurate. I was educated in a bilingual environment since young and remember strings of numbers (credit card numbers, telephone numbers, identity cards) much easier in Mandarin than in English.

For example, this is a small part of the multiplication table:

English:

six times five equals thirty-five

six times six equals thirty-six

six times seven equals fourty-three

six times eight equals fourty-eight

vs

六五 三十五 (liu wu, san shi wu)

六六 三十六 (liu liu, san shi liu)

六七 四十二 (liu qi, si shi er)

六八 五十六 (liu ba, wu shi liu)

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one times one equals one

two times two equals four

three times three equals nine

four times four equals sixteen

five times five equals twenty-five

vs

一一 得一 (yi yi, de yi) (de == "gets")

二二 得四 (er er, de si)

三三 得九 (san san, de jiu)

四四 十六 (si si, shi liu)

五五 二十五 (wu wu, er shi wu)

I left out the tones for simplicity.

After a while, the mandarin multiplication table becomes like a poem to recite, while the English counterpart doesn't quite have the same ring to it

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by hayksaakian »

jingwen wrote: post #94
manifesto wrote: post #7

One reason why Chinese have less difficulty remembering and using these numbers than the western fellows might be the difference in pronunciation. In Chinese, all single digit number has the same structure: a consonant plus a vowel. For example, 7, in Chinese is pronounced as [ch-i:], while in English is pronounced as [ˈsɛvən]. Also, every digit takes the same time to pronounce. For example, a string "123456" is [yi:…

This is accurate. I was educated in a bilingual environment since young and remember strings of numbers (credit card numbers, telephone numbers, identity cards) much easier in Mandarin than in English. For example, this is a small part of the multiplication table: English: six times five equals thirty-five six times six equals thirty-six six times seven equals fourty-three six times eight equals fourty-eight vs 六五 三十…

sorry for nitpicking, but 5 times 6 is 30, and 6 times 7 is 42

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by einmus »

dperfect wrote: post #36

I'm surprised there's no mention here of punycode and IDNs. Is there just not enough widespread support for IDNs (the article mentions a need for plugins, but I thought most browsers already support IDNs), or are numbers really that much easier to type and remember than short, meaningful domains in native characters? As I understand, punycode is translated by the browser to a standard ASCII string, so there's no need…

Another thing to mention, for elder generations like my father, even if you can use Chinese character as URL, they don't know how to input it, because there's IME needed, nothing like native Americans learn how to input ASCII. Obviously, ASCII are printed on most keyboards.

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by jingwen »

hayksaakian wrote: post #95
jingwen wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is accurate. I was educated in a bilingual environment since young and remember strings of numbers (credit card numbers, telephone numbers, identity cards) much easier in Mandarin than in English. For example, this is a small part of the multiplication table: English: six times five equals thirty-five six times six equals thirty-six six times seven equals fourty-three six times eight equals fourty-eight vs 六五 三十…

sorry for nitpicking, but 5 times 6 is 30, and 6 times 7 is 42

Well isn't that embarrassing. Thanks.

Errors:

6 * 5 = 30: 六五 三十 (liu wu, san shi)

6 * 8 = 48: 六八 四十八 (liu ba, si shi ba)

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