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How to tell when someone is lying?

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Re: How to tell when someone is lying?

#11
Well, there is a simple method:

1. Get the statement from the person that might be lying.

2. Find out what the truth was.

If the truth is different than the statement, the person was lying. Recently uncovered famous liars, with this method, include James Clapper and Vladimir Putin.

Re: How to tell when someone is lying?

#12

Well, there is a simple method: 1. Get the statement from the person that might be lying. 2. Find out what the truth was. If the truth is different than the statement, the person was lying. Recently uncovered famous liars, with this method, include James Clapper and Vladimir Putin.

Besides being overly simplistic, because you cant always know what the truth was, or finding out can take you longer than the timing of the decision you have to make, its is also a flawed process: a person can truthfully say something false. Being wrong doesn't make you a liar.

Re: How to tell when someone is lying?

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Well, there is a simple method: 1. Get the statement from the person that might be lying. 2. Find out what the truth was. If the truth is different than the statement, the person was lying. Recently uncovered famous liars, with this method, include James Clapper and Vladimir Putin.

If what they said was false, then would the conclusion not be that they either held the belief incorrectly, misspoke, or were telling a lie?

Not all false statements are lies (in what I believe to be the most common definitions)

It might be occasionally useful to be able to distinguish between whether someone is telling a lie or is simply stating something false.

Re: How to tell when someone is lying?

#15
As a former MI interrogator, this was part of my skillset.

For the average layman looking to spot lies within a complex story there is an exceptionally simply method known as reverse chronological testing

It works best for people you know are purposefully lying and you need a hook or a fallacy for proof.

1. Ask the person to recount their version of events.

>> Oh so you went out with the girls at 7pm, then what happened...?

2. A liar will naturally add more detail to try and manufacture credibility. Do not interrupt. Let them ramble. Silence from you will solicit more imaginings from them.

3. At the end of the tale, immediately ask them to recount the events in reverse.

>> Why this works : It is almost impossible for untrained personnel to factually recall imaginative events that have not actually occurred.

The brain has no factual reservoir from which to draw upon - the source material is fiction and does not lend itself to recall.

In essence; the liar is trapped in a world they are trying to simultaneously create and remember.

It's a hugely combative tactic though - if you use it, expect the situation to escalate hugely.

Re: How to tell when someone is lying?

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After reading all of Paul Ekman's books, watching all episodes of Lie to Me, and reading various other pop-science books, articles, posts, and so on, all on body language and lie detection, the only honest conclusion I could reach was that if you really want to know if someone's lying you better know the truth beforehand.

Though there is some science to the method, it ultimately relies on very complex combinations of all sorts of hints, clues, behaviors, all very ambiguous and hard to put to together. Applying this method to regular social interactions is even harder because you rarely get any feedback. You might determine that one person is lying but you might never get the chance to truly confirm your assessment. It's really hard to figure out what works and what doesn't.

You might have a chance at improving if you're a detective (maybe lawyer?) and get to often interview people, ask questions and immediately (or at least at some point) get feedback on whether your truthfulness assessment was right or not but if you're just some regular person who has ordinary social interactions it's much harder to become a human lie detector.

Re: How to tell when someone is lying?

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post #9

Detecting lies would be a more-credible field if they purged their voodoo shamans first. It is fascinating that detecting lies is a field so full of frauds and liars.

There's something very Godelesque in that comment. It's kind of like having so many teachers who were weak students.

Re: How to tell when someone is lying?

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post #16

After reading all of Paul Ekman's books, watching all episodes of Lie to Me, and reading various other pop-science books, articles, posts, and so on, all on body language and lie detection, the only honest conclusion I could reach was that if you really want to know if someone's lying you better know the truth beforehand. Though there is some science to the method, it ultimately relies on very complex combinations of…

For someone who has not actually served in a role with training (like that which you describe) you are remarkably astute about the realities of catching liars.

It takes considerable planning and man hours to uncover a truth from an individual intent to keep it hidden, often involving stress, deprivation of some sort and considerable psychological manipulation.

Not even necessarily a lie, simply a truth they are obfuscating.

Since you are interested you could do worse than read the references behind this Quora answer.

In terms of actual techniques to solicit withheld information - there are generally accepted to be 16 techniques which preclude enhanced interrogation such as calorie restriction, sleep deprivation etc. Bear in mind, as stated elsewhere, law enforcement do not interrogate. The military and intelligence organisations interrogate.

You can research each one in detail.

Direct Approach ...(just simply ask)

Love of Comrades ...(this will help save their comrades...)

Hate of Comrades (...they LEFT you...)

Love of Family ...(your war is over, talk and you get to go home...)

Identity Accuse ...(you are a criminal aren't you!)

Silence ...(simply wait them out)

Good Cop / Bad Cop

We already know ...(so you might as well tell us and help yourself)

Non-stop ...(Question after Question after Question)

Confused ...(Pretending the liar is smarter than you and you need help)

Pride/Ego ...(Congratulating the liar/restoring his pride)

Pride/Ego ...(Destroying the ego of the liar for being caught)

Fear Up ...(Scaring the liar Jack Bauer style)

Fear Down ...(Allaying fears with words and gifts to build rapport)

Without Hope ...(Making the prisoner see he is without any options)

Incentive ...(providing the reward for cooperation)

Re: How to tell when someone is lying?

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Well, there is a simple method: 1. Get the statement from the person that might be lying. 2. Find out what the truth was. If the truth is different than the statement, the person was lying. Recently uncovered famous liars, with this method, include James Clapper and Vladimir Putin.

A lie is "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive".

Emphasis on "deliberate intent to deceive".

Re: How to tell when someone is lying?

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post #15

As a former MI interrogator, this was part of my skillset. For the average layman looking to spot lies within a complex story there is an exceptionally simply method known as reverse chronological testing It works best for people you know are purposefully lying and you need a hook or a fallacy for proof. 1. Ask the person to recount their version of events. >> Oh so you went out with the girls at 7pm, then what happe…

To generalize the technique, it's basically (1) solicit detail repetitively and (2) wait for contradictions to show up in large quantities.

It's most effective in specific situations, like interrogations, because you have an important subject under discussion for which the lies pertain to.

In a setting like, say, "did you forget to call me last night?" it pays to remember that everyone lies instinctively and if you try to catch a lie, you will and it won't be worth it because it tells you nothing.

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