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Re: Popcorn Time is back

#101

Post by glaugh »

happywolf wrote: post #85

Some of the reactions here remind me of the time when mp3 starting to gain traction (circa ~1995). A lot of people were worried this new file format would mark the end of entertainment business: who would spend money to buy songs when they could download for free in mp3 format? I guess I don't need to point out how much money Apple has made through iTunes by selling unprotected audio tracks for the past years. In oth…

My brother works in Hollywood, and would make the distinction that while musicians can make money on tour and with merch, movies basically only make money from selling the right to watch the thing.

I'd like to justify pirating movies, but I actually find that logic compelling. Ideas on other ways for folks in movies to get paid?

Re: Popcorn Time is back

#102

Post by dspillett »

hnarn wrote: post #84
dspillett wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once, in a previous incarnation as a naughty law-breaking youngster, frequented a torrent tracker that specialised in games. You should have seen the vitriol thrown around if someone dare copy someone else's copy/keygen/what-ever without giving appropriate credit... I was thrown off the site for pointing out how amusing the hypocrisy was.

Maybe you were thrown off because you failed to see the difference between simply copying copyrighted content without permission (filesharing), and copying something and claiming that you in fact created it yourself, explicitly (I made this!) or implicitly, by not attributing the original author (plagiarism).

There is no difference.

The content producer worked on the content and wants what they want in exchange for it (indirectly for the effort): money.

The ripper worked on ripping the content and wants what they want for it (indirectly for the effort): recognition.

One of the usual complains was their "internal rips" being posted elsewhere even when posted without any attribution being removed (or at least with no claim of creator-ship added). There were "rippers" who tried to take credit for the efforts of others, but re-distributing outside the group was the main complaint (either with "correct" attribution or with no attribution at all).

I was thrown off because I refused to apologise for not seeing the difference between one person taking the attitude "great, I'll take this and do what-ever I want to do with it under my own terms and not your's because I can and fuck you if you don't like it" and a second person also taking the attitude "great, I'll take this and do what-ever I want to do with it under my own terms and not your's because I can and fuck you if you don't like it".

Re: Popcorn Time is back

#103

Post by justizin »

happywolf wrote: post #85

Some of the reactions here remind me of the time when mp3 starting to gain traction (circa ~1995). A lot of people were worried this new file format would mark the end of entertainment business: who would spend money to buy songs when they could download for free in mp3 format? I guess I don't need to point out how much money Apple has made through iTunes by selling unprotected audio tracks for the past years. In oth…

right. without popcorn time, i can download movies on a good connection faster via torrent than from itunes. i can watch tv shows that are artificially delayed from recordings on the east coast before they air on the west coast. i'm happy to support the content creators, but they make it so difficult to get at the content, it's tough to feel bad.

Following your metaphor, I now think back to how much money I spent on CDs which are now lost, damaged, what-have-you, and I have no license to that music - same for DVDs.

Fuck 'em.

Re: Popcorn Time is back

#105

Post by rwallace »

grabeh wrote: post #78
rwallace wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or they could correctly argue that the existence of big media is a massive net negative for the welfare of humanity, and anything that diverts money away from the industry is good for the world. Not that piracy seems to put much of a dent in the revenues of Hollywood, unfortunately, but if it did, that would be more than adequate moral justification for supporting Popcorn Time.

Could you elaborate on how big media is a 'massive net negative for the welfare of humanity'?

Two reasons.

First, the destructive effects of having the media cartels lobbying for restriction of freedom in the name of protection of 'intellectual property'; those are sufficiently well known that I probably don't have to elaborate on them here.

Second, modern media are junk food for the mind, exploits for security vulnerabilities in our motivation systems. It's not easy to pick up on this, because e.g. watching a movie seems to make you happier for the couple of hours while you're watching it; what you don't notice is that it rewires your brain so that the entire rest of your life is that little bit less happy. Studies have shown that, taking both prevalence and magnitude of the effect into account, watching television is the single strongest determining factor in quality of life, with the effect being monotonic: the less television you watch, the happier you are. At least one study corrected for confounding influences by comparing otherwise similar neighborhoods in Third World cities where television had become available versus where it had not, and the effect was striking: where television goes, quality of life takes a nosedive.

For discussion of these and related phenomena, see http://www.paulgraham.com/addiction.html and http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/why_we_havent_met_an...

Re: Popcorn Time is back

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Post by coffeecodecouch »

kwamenum86 wrote: post #99

PS: On a sidenote, and as Torrent Freak has written about them, I must point that Time4Popcorn are pretending to be developing another version of Popcorn Time. The truth is that they are ripping some of our community work without crediting the authors. We would obviously have no concerns if they acknowledged the source of the work, as Popcorn Time is an open source project. The latest example being how they compiled…

They're concerned about Time4Popcorn crediting the work as their own, which Popcorn Time (or any pirating platform I've ever seen) doesn't do.

Re: Popcorn Time is back

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Post by lobo_tuerto »

glaugh wrote: post #101
happywolf wrote: post #85

Some of the reactions here remind me of the time when mp3 starting to gain traction (circa ~1995). A lot of people were worried this new file format would mark the end of entertainment business: who would spend money to buy songs when they could download for free in mp3 format? I guess I don't need to point out how much money Apple has made through iTunes by selling unprotected audio tracks for the past years. In oth…

My brother works in Hollywood, and would make the distinction that while musicians can make money on tour and with merch, movies basically only make money from selling the right to watch the thing. I'd like to justify pirating movies, but I actually find that logic compelling. Ideas on other ways for folks in movies to get paid?

The same could be said about "songs", I guess.

Who is "movies"? The actors? The producers? The director?

Re: Popcorn Time is back

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Post by [deleted] »

chasing wrote: post #98
happywolf wrote: post #85

Some of the reactions here remind me of the time when mp3 starting to gain traction (circa ~1995). A lot of people were worried this new file format would mark the end of entertainment business: who would spend money to buy songs when they could download for free in mp3 format? I guess I don't need to point out how much money Apple has made through iTunes by selling unprotected audio tracks for the past years. In oth…

> I guess I don't need to point out how much money Apple has made through iTunes by selling unprotected audio tracks for the past years. Who gives a shit how much Apple makes? If the creators can't make enough to cover their costs or -- even better -- make a living practicing their art, then we all lose out. (Edit: I'm not attacking happywolf -- I understand what she or he is saying. I'm just trying to put a pin on t…

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Re: Popcorn Time is back

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Post by butterfi »

"We are totally aware of the legal implications, and we're not afraid, because we care for the people."

Personally I'd be interested in hearing more about how this is helping people. I suspect there are much better things you could be doing to help people then this project. A more accurate sentence might be: "We are totally aware of the legal implications, and we're not afraid, because we're doing it for the lolz and free movies"

Re: Popcorn Time is back

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Post by spaznode »

Hey wait, http://www.time4popcorn.eu/ app compared to one referenced in this article is much much more functionally complete for what you see right now today.

Like tv series / playback torrent network seems to always work immediately. The get-popcorn app as it is now provides none of it.

So "blah blah blah" about all the promises and project mission. If you just want to have some f-in popcorn time enjoyment. If get-popcorn ends up being better at some point great, til then ...

http://www.time4popcorn.eu/ is the only popcorn for me. =)

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