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Re: Google AdSense leak?

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Post by 7952 »

DrJosiah wrote: post #40

If you are going to sit around and "see what happens" for 3 years, you talk to a lawyer. You gather evidence. Emails, text chats, etc. You audio record meetings and conversations with people (subject to lawyer advice). You collect enough information over a long enough period of time so that an investigator can trivially search a dumped archive of email to verify your claims. But we are supposed to believe someone who…

There is obviously no proof one way or the other, questioning the veracity of the source does not change that. My guess is that new evidence will emerge sooner or later. A graph of cancellation dates would be an interesting start.

Re: Google AdSense leak?

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Post by justanotherlurk »

Greenisus wrote: post #34

I'm inclined to believe this, but I'm skeptical of Google Analytics numbers being deflated. Wouldn't people notice the data not being consistent with other tools or their own web server logs?

It's funny you mentioned this. I was researching Piwiks as an analytics tool today. In a few of the articles, they gave reason to use Piwiks because it shows more traffic than Google Analytics does, with graphs to demonstrate. These were articles from over the past few years. DDG or google search "piwiks analytics better than" and you'll likely see the same articles.

I've also seen on many SEO forums that people have complained about the same things in regards to getting banned days before their payout.

Most website advertiser types are the kind of people who are recalcitrant to file a lawsuit. I know I am myself. So really, it's a good business decision in this regard.

I can't accuse Google of anything though. On the other hand, automating account bans past a certain earning threshold unless they're high profile people seems easy to implement, with a massive earning when done on the multi-billion-dollar [0] ad revenue scale that Google oversees.

[0] http://www.adweek.com/news/technology/google-finally-crosses...

Re: Google AdSense leak?

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Post by camus2 »

ensignavenger wrote: post #38
camus2 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that happened to me , now i dont know if there is a wide scale scam or it was just a "bug" but they banned me for no reason and of course no way to appeal.And they owed me quite a lot.I moved to some other ad service,it pays less but i still get my money.

One way to appeal- file a lawsuit. :)

While the money they owed me was significant it would have been difficult(and expensive) to sue google at that time. It would be very different today.I had to write it off.And they had the audacity to send me a 50$ voucher for adsense just after that...

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Post by [deleted] »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #12

It reads like some disgruntled AdSense publishers theory as to why they were banned. Now it is true that in 2009, when the Great Recession hit, Google went through its processes and identified places where controls were lax. And its true that there has always been a lot of abuse of AdSense (it is after all the first thing a neophyte ad-fraud wannabe does, which is create a page, put AdSense ads on it, and then pay a…

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Post by scottydelta »

icebraining wrote: post #47
scottydelta wrote: post #43

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If all this just false accusation then do you care to explain why google dont have any human interaction with their adsense publishers if the account is banned or suspended while their employees go around licking the asses of people using adwords as advertisers? I had my adsense account blocked for no reason and all the appeal went in vain without any human seeing my appeal. Now I am a major adwords advertiser for an…

If all this just false accusation then do you care to explain why google dont have any human interaction with their adsense publishers if the account is banned or suspended while their employees go around licking the asses of people using adwords as advertisers? According to the story this only started in 2009, when as far as I know they never had any human interaction with publishers, so that doesn't sound like a go…

yes that's my point, they never have any interaction before blocking a publishers account, doesn't it look like as if google is trying to prove itself superior?

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Post by icebraining »

scottydelta wrote: post #56
icebraining wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all this just false accusation then do you care to explain why google dont have any human interaction with their adsense publishers if the account is banned or suspended while their employees go around licking the asses of people using adwords as advertisers? According to the story this only started in 2009, when as far as I know they never had any human interaction with publishers, so that doesn't sound like a go…

yes that's my point, they never have any interaction before blocking a publishers account, doesn't it look like as if google is trying to prove itself superior?

It depends. Is Google an high school student? If not, then no. It just looks like they don't give a shit.

Re: Google AdSense leak?

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Post by CaveTech »

voicereasonish wrote: post #21
DoubleMalt wrote: post #15

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This not necessarily the case. Most advertisers will have fixed budgets to spend on AdSense. Under this assumption banning a publisher would not diminish the revenue stream but just diverting the ads to other not yet banned publishers. That doesn't mean the scheme as described is true, but it's not as obviously stupid as your first paragraph makes it seem.

Also obviously if Google reduces the pool of adsense publishers, the money is more likely to be spent advertising on Google properties, and Google will take 100% of that, rather than 32%.

If that was an ideal strategy they would have never opened it up to publishers in the first place.

Google no doubt optimizes their algorithms for profit, but they surely don't need to block out publishers to ensure their own sites have ads to display.

Re: Google AdSense leak?

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Post by andrenotgiant »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #12

It reads like some disgruntled AdSense publishers theory as to why they were banned. Now it is true that in 2009, when the Great Recession hit, Google went through its processes and identified places where controls were lax. And its true that there has always been a lot of abuse of AdSense (it is after all the first thing a neophyte ad-fraud wannabe does, which is create a page, put AdSense ads on it, and then pay a…

The BIG Advertisers are their bread and butter, but every big advertiser knows to avoid most contextual targeting Text Ad buys.

Here's something that came into play around 2009: When a new advertiser (think small business) goes into AdWords to set up their first account, the default is to show Ads on Search AND Display Network. After setting things up, these two sources of VERY DIFFERENT traffic get lumped together in a lot of high-level reporting.

Until they specifically look at the quality of Display vs Search traffic (and see Avg Visit Durations from Display traffic around 5 seconds) they will not know about the crappy quality of sites they are on.

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