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Re: Firefox 29

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Post by amenod »

nnnnni wrote: post #118
cookiecaper wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I encourage Chrome users to go check the search history attached to their Google account. It exposes a lot of data that you didn't realize you were sending to Google (including letter-by-letter entry of search terms/urls) and may give a newfound respect for Firefox's separation, whether you personally care enough to make the switch or not.

I only use Chromium because it's supposed to not have the phone-home "features" that are in Chrome. ...or at least it's that they claim. EDIT: "they" being Google. http://blog.chromium.org/2008/10/google-chrome-chromium-and-...

Note that even Firefor has at least one kind of phone home "feature" enabled by default - malware protection. It keeps asking Google if the sites you are visiting are OK, thus sending the list of visited sites to Google.

I know that they are supposed not to misuse this information, but I would feel much better if they didn't receive it at all.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by cjhopman »

nnnnni wrote: post #118
cookiecaper wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I encourage Chrome users to go check the search history attached to their Google account. It exposes a lot of data that you didn't realize you were sending to Google (including letter-by-letter entry of search terms/urls) and may give a newfound respect for Firefox's separation, whether you personally care enough to make the switch or not.

I only use Chromium because it's supposed to not have the phone-home "features" that are in Chrome. ...or at least it's that they claim. EDIT: "they" being Google. http://blog.chromium.org/2008/10/google-chrome-chromium-and-...

And, according to your edit, you missed my point. That blog post explicitly states that Chromium has many of the same "phone-home features" of Chrome. That includes the specific one discussed in this thread, "search suggest".

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by drewblay »

nailer wrote: post #127
drewblay wrote: post #115

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> Most users-on-street don't want to customize either. Most users on the street aren't on the hacker news forum. Also if you are going to play the "most users on the street" game, then most users on the street aren't going to install a browser that didn't come with the OS.

> Most users on the street aren't on the hacker news forum. I don't think anyone said they were. > then most users on the street aren't going to install a browser that didn't come with the OS. That's true. So it's even more important to retain them by having sensible defaults.

>That's true. So it's even more important to retain them by having sensible defaults.

Not really. What is wrong with having a product that caters to a power user, or a niche group? Why does everything have to be dumbed-down for the "user on the street"? If you want dumbed-down then use the browser that came with your OS. If want something that isn't dumbed-down then you most likely have the know-how to customize your toolbar.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by pjmlp »

danford wrote: post #169
pjmlp wrote: post #137

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> > - The whole resources view > I'm not sure what the exact criticism is here. How can I see the whole data available to the browser in FF, similar to ChromeDev Tools https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/re... > - DOM events monitoring and breakpoints. > You can do this now (at least in nightly) Cannot install nightly versions on customers. Good to know it is coming, though. > > - JavaScript cod…

>How can I see the whole data available to the browser in FF, similar to ChromeDev Tools It's a lot different than what chrome does, but I believe they're integrating the resources with the network tab: (scroll to the bottom where the pie charts are.) https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Network_Monit... > Cannot install nightly versions on customers Do your customers develop web pages? If so why are they p…

> It's a lot different than what chrome does, but I believe they're integrating the resources with the network tab: (scroll to the bottom where the pie charts are.)

Thanks for the link. What about IndexDB, Web SQL and Local Storage?

> Do your customers develop web pages? If so why are they paying you to install a browser?

They surely do. My employer does Fortune 500 consulting and many times we get to use what their IT allows us to.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by NathanKP »

simonster wrote: post #174
NathanKP wrote: post #54

Overall I love the redesign, but I wish they would have compacted the top chrome a bit so it matches the height of other major browsers. Firefox has slightly taller chrome for no good reason, as seen in this picture: http://i.imgur.com/BlPRitn.png When I'm doing cross browser development I want my stuff to line up in all three browsers. At least Firefox no longer has the heaviest browser chrome. Safari wins that dubi…

There is a reason for the taller top chrome: it makes the window easier to drag around. Compared with Chrome, there is a larger window drag area above the inactive tabs (but not the active tab). I think this is a pretty neat design.

On the contrary, Firefox actually has less drag space:

http://i.imgur.com/atYV8Xo.png

If you count it by pixel there is 10px of window drag space above the tabs in Firefox, but 11px of window drag space in Chrome. So technically Firefox would be harder to drag around.

The thing that is bigger in Firefox is the fat tabs, and all the extra space above and below the address bar, which seems to be there solely for the purpose of allowing the back button to be larger than the address bar. It's a nice looking design touch, but not that much more usable, just wasteful.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by Fuxy »

Well it's ok however i have a few issues with it.

1. Support for it in most themes is non existent so no more dark themes until they update

2. The Open menu button cannot be moved (Wanted to move it back to the left where the old firefox button used to be)

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by protonfish »

jdc0589 wrote: post #98
dec0dedab0de wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Separate address and search bars is old-fashioned. Exactly how I like it, I HATE getting search results when I make a type-o, or try to go to an internal site and forget to specify http://

Not sure about firefox, but in chrome you can get around it by appending a trailing / to things

Thanks, that worked for me in Chrome for desktop, but not in my Android mobile browser which messes up intranet site addresses even if I select them from history.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by DSMan195276 »

shmerl wrote: post #152

About Australis: Good: * Menu bar is hidden by default on Linux and can be opened with Alt (that didn't work before). Bad: * Menu ("Firefox") button is still not movable for no obvious reason. * Reload/Stop button is now forced to be in the URL bar (before users had a choice where to place it). That's pretty annoying, it's very uncomfortable when Back/Forward and Reload buttons are so far apart. * Bookmarks button is…

I felt the same. I recommend you grab Classic Theme Restorer. I'm not sure how to modify the URL bar (Which is the issue with the bookmarks and reload button), but the add-on will allow you to move the menu and adjust other various settings.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by gagege »

CmdrKrool wrote: post #148
exodust wrote: post #13

What's this about the status bar / add-on bar gone? The main reason why I use Status-4-Evar is because when I hover over a link I don't want that link to pop-over the page content, which is what Chrome did first, then Firefox copied like sheep. It's distracting, like a tiny little pop-over in the corner of your eye. I like having URLs show in a status bar separate to the main web window. It's out of the way, and I ju…

The Customize mode seems fairly flexible, for shuffling things between the three fixed-position bars, ie. the menu, navigation and bookmarks bars (probably the tab bar as well though I don't use tabs myself). I wonder why you can't just add new blank bars, at either the top or bottom, to fill up to your heart's content with that same Customize mode. That would undo most of the need for things like Status-4-Evar. This…

I'm very curious about your statement that you don't use tabs. Why not? Do you really only ever have one page open at once?
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