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Re: I’m a Man and I Write Code

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This post is mostly an exposition of the author's strongly-held opinion that A) technology communities are all currently meritocracies, which is good; B) self-imposed quotas will result in something that isn't a meritocracy, which is bad; and C) organizations which strive to help minorities (women who code etc) are bad because they try to help minorities.

I'm only going to respond to C because it's the most ludicrous. Recently, I (an asian male) was a teacher assistant at the very first ClojureBridge, and during the training I learned more about why these workshops are useful and important. They create an environment where attendees feel more comfortable learning, making it much more likely that attendees will be successful in learning to program. You can argue whether or not it's "right" that women would feel more comfortable attending a workshop geared specifically toward women, but frankly I think that's irrelevant.

The author says that these organizations give the message that "These people are different from the majority so we need to treat them differently." Well, yes. What's wrong with that? The author doesn't explain. In any case, I think this is a good thing because the majority already has special treatment, thanks to human nature. There is ample evidence that women and black people are seen as less capable, even by people who have no desire to be prejudiced. How easy will it be for you to learn if the people surrounding you all assume that you're not as smart as them just because you're a woman or you're black? It's important that these conscious efforts to combat the results of our unconscious biases exist.

Re: I’m a Man and I Write Code

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I think he's correct that the problem lies way upstream from the current gender imbalance of qualified candidates. AKA the US (can't speak for elsewhere) school system is fucked. Imagine a world where computer literacy was taught to girls and boys from grade 1. Where instead of funneling the vast majority of children into football, volleyball and cheerleading we actually spent those resources and time helping them le…

There are huge social and health benefits to enrolling children in sports. Replacing sports with computers is not a solution.

Re: I’m a Man and I Write Code

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Why do we (well, you :) keep arguing about this issue as if the gender imbalance in software was a new and strange thing?

Gender imbalances in many industries, along with every kind of policies written to address this, have been around for a long time. Certainly well-thought-out positions and empirical studies have been published. Why is the discussion still completely based on random opinions?

EDIT: removed the "prejudiced", I didn't mean it as a personal attack against OP.

Re: I’m a Man and I Write Code

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Just an idea. If you want to write a serious article on the subject of women in tech, no matter what your views are, you're probably better off not putting a "no girls allowed" graphic on top, no matter how "funny" or "ironic" you may think it is.

Boo! Way to miss the point of the article.

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Re: I’m a Man and I Write Code

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While I agree that it's important to encourage and educate the young about technology, this article vastly over simplifies, dismisses, and actively works against those working for a positive change. What good will encouraging young girls if they grow up to try and work in an industry that actively dismisses them? That actively seeks to ignore them? No know has all the right answers but focusing only on education seem…

This is already happening to boys and girls. See my comment below. No one is encouraged to code. It's not a popular activity. Up until recently it was basically asking to be socially shunned. Some boys either didn't care or didn't have any other options. But the discouragement starts very early.

Re: I’m a Man and I Write Code

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This post is mostly an exposition of the author's strongly-held opinion that A) technology communities are all currently meritocracies, which is good; B) self-imposed quotas will result in something that isn't a meritocracy, which is bad; and C) organizations which strive to help minorities (women who code etc) are bad because they try to help minorities. I'm only going to respond to C because it's the most ludicrous…

The author says that these organizations give the message that "These people are different from the majority so we need to treat them differently." Well, yes. What's wrong with that? The author doesn't explain.

I think it's pretty obvious - he thinks that those groups are reinforcing the idea that they're trying to dispel. From his POV, if you don't want people treated as different, it makes no sense for you to do the same.

Re: I’m a Man and I Write Code

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post #23

I think he's correct that the problem lies way upstream from the current gender imbalance of qualified candidates. AKA the US (can't speak for elsewhere) school system is fucked. Imagine a world where computer literacy was taught to girls and boys from grade 1. Where instead of funneling the vast majority of children into football, volleyball and cheerleading we actually spent those resources and time helping them le…

There are huge social and health benefits to enrolling children in sports. Replacing sports with computers is not a solution.

The amount of time and resources poured into sports FAR out weighs any possible benefit.

Make coding a more social/group activity... social problem solved.

Have kids run during PE. Health problems solved!

Re: I’m a Man and I Write Code

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It will also take decades to improve gender diversity in the technology field.

Well in three decades it actually became worse... Gender diversity was actually greater before (think 70s), we may be one of the few fields were it actually got worse...

Re: I’m a Man and I Write Code

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Coding has become, relativity recently, high status - so people now care about gender ratios, more so than they do in the fields like carpentry or car mechanics. People are so quick to create vast, economically counterproductive misogynistic conspiracies when there's likely a simpler explanation. Perhaps women are just less likely to enjoy coding. Is this necessarily a bad thing so long as those who do aren't treated differently from men of similar skill level? There are already huge economic incentives for companies to not discriminate against highly skilled coders on any criteria other than ability. Even if you grant that there is a vast misogynistic conspiracy, it must be highly unstable, because any company that defects from the conspiracy will have access to cheap high-level talent.
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