This is hardly city driving. Try driving in a European city. (I love this project and can't wait to buy or rent a self-driving car)
Exactly, I live in Rome and you'd really be surprised by the number of bikers who drive on the sidewalk to avoid morning traffic. I don't think Google cars are prepared to respond to people merging from the sidewalk, they're just unpredictable and nothing will ever change that.
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#82Genuine question, can anybody answer how these cars will: 1) Allow for situational aspects of driving eg I need to get there quickly so might drive faster because I'm running late? 2) Protect from people intentionally take advantage of safety mechanisms eg cutting in front, stepping out onto the road?
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#83This is hardly city driving. Try driving in a European city. (I love this project and can't wait to buy or rent a self-driving car)
Harder yet, Southeast Asia. Hundreds of pedestrians, tons of vehicle variety (some entirely makeshift), uncontrolled intersections, very little regard to any regulations.
I've been in many situations where conservative driving according to the rules of the road is not possible. In the West this is more limited to dense cities and exceptional situations. In India, though, this is the rule.
If you waited for pedestrians to finish crossing or for cars to clear intersections, maintained a safe following distance, signaled before turning, waited for other parties to yield, etc, you would never leave your driveway.
It's difficult for me to imagine a computer deciding to gently nudge pedestrians with its bumper in order to proceed through a green light, which I've had to do several times while driving there.
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#84I saw an interesting comment on the blog post. Is anyone keeping tab on the project knows if Google in working on some sort of communication between vehicles on road. That will make the self driving cars much more accurate. Lot of 'sudden' circumstances will be predictable by the car.
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#85I love how the car understands the cyclist's hand signals. The self-driving car is going to have a gigantic impact on the world, I can't wait to see it commercialised.
As a cyclist, I was shocked to see the cyclist change his mind like that —unless he was a tester too, that’s how you get bumped– but I really hope Google Cars learn that most cyclists actually don’t signal their turn that well. Cars don’t bother either, and the last frame show how most non-car drivers get killed: don’t notice what passing just being, shift in gear, swerve and… bang. Seeing how Google taught its car t…
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#86This is amazing, but if anything it's made me more wary of some of the challenges the project faces. - What if the cyclist fell off his bike in front of the car? How quickly can the computer process the real-time imagery and react compared to a human with their peripheral vision. - What if the cyclist swung from the pavement on to the road. A human driver will probably have spotted the hazard (we all train for that k…
The intermediary step (computer driving with human failsafe) is also incredibly challenging, because you are unsure of the computer's knowledge and intent (this is also what makes backseat drivers so annoying). This computer drives much more conservatively than a human driver, so much so that I'm not sure a human failsafe driver would grok what is going on. Waiting for a railway crossing to be completely clear before…
For day to day driving, the cars should either be fully autonomous or have the automated systems limited to intervening in dangerous situations (like current brake priming systems and the like). If the driver is able to take (primary) control, they should be required to be in control.
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#87somehow the current scuffle between uber and regular cabs seems to miss the joke. we're going to need a plan for the eventual unemployment of a lot of cab drivers, regardless of how the cab is hailed.
Someone proposed some food for thought a little while ago that intrigued me. One day in the not too distant future it'd be completely reasonable for cabs to drive themselves and automatically accept payment via bitcoin or some other digital currency. It'd also be reasonable for them to refill their fuel tanks when empty, paying with the money they received, and additionally go into the shop whenever their diagnostics…
Most of those car-sharing services are owned directly by the large car companies like BMW or Mercedes. It's very likely that they'll eventually just become big cab services with self-driving cars in addition to just producing them.
And the number of people who actually need to own their own car will shrink every year.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even New York City seems to only have tens of thousands of cab drivers ('seems' because I just looked at wikipedia for a minute), I don't think they are that big a percentage of the population.
I think the real markets are long haul trucking and small delivery van for the last miles. All in all it is probably a significant portions of job.
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#90somehow the current scuffle between uber and regular cabs seems to miss the joke. we're going to need a plan for the eventual unemployment of a lot of cab drivers, regardless of how the cab is hailed.
Even New York City seems to only have tens of thousands of cab drivers ('seems' because I just looked at wikipedia for a minute), I don't think they are that big a percentage of the population.
The individual owners of these medallions are small business owners, and those who operate cab fleets are large business owners who employ many drivers. Automated vehicles aren't just going to put some people who drive out of work; they're going to eliminate an industry and destroy investments in a lot of businesses.
Or, maybe not. The TLC (Taxi and Limousine Commission) in NYC is a powerful lobbying group. They'll probably fight to prevent automated taxis in NYC until they're proven, without a doubt, to be safer than experienced taxi drivers. Then, they'll fight to ensure that an automated taxi requires a medallion just like any other taxi. Very few new medallions are issued each year, so the onus will be on the existing taxi owners to convert their cars into automated cars. That's probably a good deal for the individual owners, since they're usually either the drivers as well or they're paying a driver (or both, to keep the taxi on the road as much as possible.) Automation will get them out of the drivers seat, while still preserving their investment. But this is a bad deal for the regular drivers who aren't owners; they'll either be out of work, or maybe paid (less) to sit and ride along until passengers get used to the automated cars.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicabs_of_New_York_City#Medal...