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Why the New American Real Estate Dream Is Renting

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Re: Why the New American Real Estate Dream Is Renting

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Never rent unless in a precarious situation or if just recently moved to a new city. Buy as soon as you can. You will never ever see a penny of what you paid for in rent.

If you buy, even if temporary, you get all your money back, sometimes more, sometimes less, but you always get some.

I lived most of my early adult life renting and I can tell you this, more than $100K wasted and no way at all to get one cent back.

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Never rent unless in a precarious situation or if just recently moved to a new city. Buy as soon as you can. You will never ever see a penny of what you paid for in rent. If you buy, even if temporary, you get all your money back, sometimes more, sometimes less, but you always get some. I lived most of my early adult life renting and I can tell you this, more than $100K wasted and no way at all to get one cent back.

Sorry, that line of thinking is dogma.

Here's an article that explores this argument: http://www.smartmoney.com/personal-finance/real-estate/renti...

Basically, take the "never rent" piece of advice with the same amount of skepticism that you would any other piece of advice that begins with "never."

Summary: average annualized return on investment on owning a home barely beats inflation, dating back way, and that's including the boom times.

Average return on investing in businesses (i.e. the stock market, your own startup), is a much better place to put your money.

Not saying there is no reason to buy a house, there are plenty. But never say never.

Re: Why the New American Real Estate Dream Is Renting

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Never rent unless in a precarious situation or if just recently moved to a new city. Buy as soon as you can. You will never ever see a penny of what you paid for in rent. If you buy, even if temporary, you get all your money back, sometimes more, sometimes less, but you always get some. I lived most of my early adult life renting and I can tell you this, more than $100K wasted and no way at all to get one cent back.

Mathematical identity:

    price to own = price to rent + speculative ownership premium + transaction costs
If you rent, you get to keep that speculative ownership premium and the transaction costs.

An additional problem with owning is that your investments are bound to your living situation. Orthogonality is good. I can change my living situation without even thinking about my investments.

Re: Why the New American Real Estate Dream Is Renting

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Never rent unless in a precarious situation or if just recently moved to a new city. Buy as soon as you can. You will never ever see a penny of what you paid for in rent. If you buy, even if temporary, you get all your money back, sometimes more, sometimes less, but you always get some. I lived most of my early adult life renting and I can tell you this, more than $100K wasted and no way at all to get one cent back.

Mathematical identity: price to own = price to rent + speculative ownership premium + transaction costs If you rent, you get to keep that speculative ownership premium and the transaction costs. An additional problem with owning is that your investments are bound to your living situation. Orthogonality is good. I can change my living situation without even thinking about my investments.

On average the owner does get something in return for the speculative ownership premium, though, so you have to factor that out.

Re: Why the New American Real Estate Dream Is Renting

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Dumb article! Homeownership is dead because you could be foreclosed upon? This is news?

I bought my first house in the city about 12 years ago. First thing I did was paint one bedroom wall cobalt blue cause I loved that color. Lawns are a pain in the ass to take care of (and I don't much care for monocultures anyway), so I began ripping up the lawn in the back and planting veggies, strawberries, raspberries and prairie wildflowers that can take care of themselves. Added a computer room in the unfinished basement.

Sold that house after 5 years and move to the suburbs (bad idea!). I like to cook, so the second house had its kitchen ripped out and replaced with real slate floor tiles, nice countertops and custom cabinets within 2 months of moving in. Built a metal-casting setup behind the house. Bought house #3 way out in the country and rented out house #2 for 2 years then sold it.

Hope to stay in house #3 until economy improves. I have 10 acres to play in and a small machine shop in the basement. We have horses, chickens, large vegetable garden, maybe goats or cows someday and can do whatever we feel like with the property -- like the outdoor clay oven I haven't finished. Next summer I think I'm digging a goldfish pond/water garden.

Try doing any of that with a rental! Not everyone buys to flip or to sell at a profit. Most of us just want a place to live in that we can hack to suit our current mood.

Re: Why the New American Real Estate Dream Is Renting

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Never rent unless in a precarious situation or if just recently moved to a new city. Buy as soon as you can. You will never ever see a penny of what you paid for in rent. If you buy, even if temporary, you get all your money back, sometimes more, sometimes less, but you always get some. I lived most of my early adult life renting and I can tell you this, more than $100K wasted and no way at all to get one cent back.

This is so far from the truth that you couldn't possibly be doing anything but repeating something you've heard without independent verification.

If you have to borrow money, then you have to pay something akin to rent, except you pay it on the money borrowed, not the property itself. Second, under standard mortgage amortization schedules, nearly all of your early payments go toward interest (and by corollary, very little goes toward principal).

Length of ownership, prevailing interest rates, and potential maintenance costs should all be factored into a home-buying decision. It is far from obvious that owning is better than renting.

Re: Why the New American Real Estate Dream Is Renting

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Dumb article! Homeownership is dead because you could be foreclosed upon? This is news? I bought my first house in the city about 12 years ago. First thing I did was paint one bedroom wall cobalt blue cause I loved that color. Lawns are a pain in the ass to take care of (and I don't much care for monocultures anyway), so I began ripping up the lawn in the back and planting veggies, strawberries, raspberries and prair…

"People who rent talk about the books that they've read, the trips that they've taken, the skills that they are learning, the friends whose company they are enjoying. Property owners complain about the local politicians, the high rate of property tax, the difficulty of finding competent tradespeople, the high value of their own (very likely crummy) house or condo, and what kinds of furniture and kitchen appliances they are contemplating buying. Property owners are boring. The most boring parts of a property owner's personality are those which relate to his or her ownership of real estate."

http://philip.greenspun.com/materialism/early-retirement/whe...

Re: Why the New American Real Estate Dream Is Renting

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This is why I cringe when I hear people say that the current economic crisis is an indictment of capitalism; a proof that free markets behave irrationally. To believe that you have to ignore the enormous distortions government has created, not just with recent legislation but with things like the mortgage tax deduction that are so entrenched and popular we take them for granted.

Re: Why the New American Real Estate Dream Is Renting

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another disadvantage for homeowner:

in unstable countries, the new government that replace its old one will try to steal the land from owners

if the new gov is democratic, it only honors those who can show certificate on ownership (even the ones granted from old foreign govt -- the countries that gain independence from colonial in ww2 show this trend)

if the new gov is communist, it will simply take the land (worse, the big owners will be labeled capitalist and shot to dead -- happened in china, see the movie 'to live' by zhang yi mou for ref)

those are best and worst case, of course, america is far too remote from civil war or foreign invasion

the renters can just walk away; however, the old money will be of no value ... so it's better to diversify to foreign currencies or precious metal ... or tools

my grandparents actually buried a minivan when the japanese invaded us. once the new govt is set, they resumed the transportation business. it could be more optimal than currencies/metal because ... after a war, the survivor is the only pioneer, no competition -- sufficiently a monopoly by event

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