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In which I answer all of the questions (2012)

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Re: In which I answer all of the questions (2012)

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To anyone wondering, this is relevant to Jeff Atwood's recent blog post ( http://blog.codinghorror.com/what-can-men-do/ ) where he quotes Sara's article.

It's perhaps worth noting that there's a minor internet explosion happening right now about that article -- Shanley Kane wrote an article with the same title back in November (https://medium.com/tech-culture-briefs/a1e93d985af0) which was tweeted by Anil Dash on Tuesday (https://twitter.com/anildash/status/458829201039429632). Jeff Atwood made a series of negative replies (since deleted, but screenshotted here: https://twitter.com/shanley/statuses/459725773822103552), then wrote his own article with the same title without any credit or link to Shanley.

Re: In which I answer all of the questions (2012)

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For what it's worth, my opinion is that Jeff was replying to Shanley with what he considered to be a better approach to the topic. I think the lack of attribution was an oversight, and I don't think anything in Jeff's post "plagiarizes" or comes close to it.

I also find Shanley's demeanor extremely rude, off-putting and counterproductive to a discussion on any topic.

Re: In which I answer all of the questions (2012)

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post #6

For what it's worth, my opinion is that Jeff was replying to Shanley with what he considered to be a better approach to the topic. I think the lack of attribution was an oversight, and I don't think anything in Jeff's post "plagiarizes" or comes close to it. I also find Shanley's demeanor extremely rude, off-putting and counterproductive to a discussion on any topic.

Except: https://twitter.com/SaraJChipps/status/459775964831293440

Re: In which I answer all of the questions (2012)

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> Women in 10 years need to be able to provide for themselves, and their families

I had women professors in college. I have a woman software manager. I work with many women. And these women generally wanted to work in software development. Of course we aren't "building the internet" over here or making "internet history". Just some Joe and Jane Schmos plugging away.

I see no need to push an agenda for more women in tech. More women will continue to join the field, but I wouldn't expect it to be representative of the population.

Re: In which I answer all of the questions (2012)

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post #3
post #2

To anyone wondering, this is relevant to Jeff Atwood's recent blog post ( http://blog.codinghorror.com/what-can-men-do/ ) where he quotes Sara's article.

It's perhaps worth noting that there's a minor internet explosion happening right now about that article -- Shanley Kane wrote an article with the same title back in November ( https://medium.com/tech-culture-briefs/a1e93d985af0 ) which was tweeted by Anil Dash on Tuesday ( https://twitter.com/anildash/status/458829201039429632 ). Jeff Atwood made a series of negative replies (since deleted, but screenshotted here: h…

Which I find humorous, because I just finished reading both, and the only thing the two articles share are their titles. Shanley's article is written with an actively aggressive tone towards men, while Jeff's seems much more reasoned and thought out. And both articles answer the question "what can men do" differently. So why the hullabaloo?

Re: In which I answer all of the questions (2012)

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For what it's worth, my opinion is that Jeff was replying to Shanley with what he considered to be a better approach to the topic. I think the lack of attribution was an oversight, and I don't think anything in Jeff's post "plagiarizes" or comes close to it. I also find Shanley's demeanor extremely rude, off-putting and counterproductive to a discussion on any topic.

rude, off-putting and counterproductive to a discussion on any topic.

Manners were an invention of the aristocracy.

my opinion is that Jeff was replying to Shanley with what he considered to be a better approach to the topic.

Except that Jeff can't even bring himself to acknowledge Shanley in his post while stealing her title and structure after making an ass out of himself on Twitter such that he deleted the (MLK-splaining, among other) tweets before writing that post. He's participating in bad faith and being I-know-better, but what does he care? He has no skin in this game; he's got his.

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