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Re: Codebabes.com | Learn Coding and Web Development the Fun Way

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Post by PedroBatista » Fri, Apr 25, 2014, 2:18 PM UTC

pxlbryn wrote: post #22

weland wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this is likely an unpopular opinion but here it goes: what the fuck does this have to do with under-representation in our industry? There's medical-themed porn, school-themed porn and I'm sure someone in Japan has made at least one hacking-themed porn movie until now. That doesn't stop women from becoming doctors, going to school or hacking. There are striptease-themed news, too, and that doesn't prevent women…

The problem for me is that my wife is constantly trying to get into programming. The industry is already gender-biased enough. If she thinks that this is the kind of thing that programmers want - she's going to be turned off from continuing down that path.

Maybe your wife is much more intelligent than you think.

Maybe she is not an impressionable toddler and can laugh at both the ridiculousness of this site and your reaction to it.

:)

Re: Codebabes.com | Learn Coding and Web Development the Fun Way

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Post by cdumler » Fri, Apr 25, 2014, 2:36 PM UTC

porker wrote: post #5

choult wrote: post #2

Please note, I am posting this with despair - it's little surprise that women are under-represented in our industry if this kind of thing can stand.

100% agree. This is offensive and sexist. I'm a man and I'm offended, and can only imagine how women must find it.

I am a man. I find it offensive, too. To everyone else: sure sex sells in plenty of areas of society. It doesn't need to be in technical training.

Re: Codebabes.com | Learn Coding and Web Development the Fun Way

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Post by wsc981 » Fri, Apr 25, 2014, 2:37 PM UTC

weland wrote: post #19

choult wrote: post #2

Please note, I am posting this with despair - it's little surprise that women are under-represented in our industry if this kind of thing can stand.

I know this is likely an unpopular opinion but here it goes: what the fuck does this have to do with under-representation in our industry? There's medical-themed porn, school-themed porn and I'm sure someone in Japan has made at least one hacking-themed porn movie until now. That doesn't stop women from becoming doctors, going to school or hacking. There are striptease-themed news, too, and that doesn't prevent women…

> "I know this is likely an unpopular opinion but here it goes: what the fuck does this have to do with under-representation in our industry?"

I agree. Aren't woman underrepresented in most STEM jobs anyways? And overrepresented in other jobs like e.g. kindergarten teachers? Woman are just wired differently as men. And perhaps woman are also conditioned differently as men from a young age (girls get to play with dolls, boys with cars and legos). There could be an evolutionary reason for this, since ages ago most men were probably hunters while most woman likely tended to the children.

Of course sexism in tech is bad and we should try to reduce sexism wherever possible, but that's a different issue. I'm not sure we should try to push woman into technology (or fields like construction, etc...), just as I'm not sure we should try to push men into jobs where men are underrepresented.

Re: Codebabes.com | Learn Coding and Web Development the Fun Way

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Post by nidx » Fri, Apr 25, 2014, 2:54 PM UTC

The PHP Virgin QUIZ is full of wrong answers!

1. To run PHP code it needs to be processed by a web server. They say TRUE. The answer is FALSE. - php-cli is used a lot (composer/phpunit/etc...)

2. If you inspect the source of a web page, will you ever see the PHP code? They Say YES. The Answer is FALSE - I mean maybe if you enable phps (php source) in your web server, but in most usage never.

4.In the following code snippet, 'print' is what? They say it s a variable. That might be true given that a variable can be a closure function, but the real answer is a function!

UGH!

Re: Codebabes.com | Learn Coding and Web Development the Fun Way

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Post by HellaMedusa » Fri, Apr 25, 2014, 2:54 PM UTC

Female developer here! I feel like this has to be click bait, right? No one is seriously positing this site as a serious way to learn to code. Right?

"So how did you get into development, Mr. Job Candidate?"

"It all started when I successfully completed every fap session at Codebabes.com..."

Re: Codebabes.com | Learn Coding and Web Development the Fun Way

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Post by porker » Fri, Apr 25, 2014, 3:02 PM UTC

PedroBatista wrote: post #27

porker wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree. This is offensive and sexist. I'm a man and I'm offended, and can only imagine how women must find it.

And porn degrades women right? Why are you offended? Do you really think this is a serious website? maybe the next Codecademy. On a lighter note, its really funny how you think "women must find it" offensive, but not for a single second you even thought that same statement is really really sexist. ps: About the website, on my scale between love it and hate it, its in the "who gives a f *?" category. Daytime televisio…

> And porn degrades women right?

Yes.

> On a lighter note, its really funny how you think "women must find it" offensive, but not for a single second you even thought that same statement is really really sexist.

I am aware, I spent 10 minutes before posting trying to find a way to phrase it without sounding like that. Either I removed it entirely and sounded without empathy, or I left it in and sounded patronising. What would be an improved way to say it? I'm listening and I would like to learn.

Re: Codebabes.com | Learn Coding and Web Development the Fun Way

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Post by weland » Fri, Apr 25, 2014, 3:05 PM UTC

petercooper wrote: post #29

weland wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this is likely an unpopular opinion but here it goes: what the fuck does this have to do with under-representation in our industry? There's medical-themed porn, school-themed porn and I'm sure someone in Japan has made at least one hacking-themed porn movie until now. That doesn't stop women from becoming doctors, going to school or hacking. There are striptease-themed news, too, and that doesn't prevent women…

The big difference is this isn't programming-themed porn, but porn-themed programming education. The context within which someone wants to watch porn of any variety is rather different to that in which someone wants to learn how to program and stumbles across stuff like this.

Much like Teasenews is porn-themed journalism and Game of Thrones is a porn-themed entertainment. Bodies naked to various degrees are pretty much omnipresent today. Not necessarily a good thing, but it's not like you can step away from that horrible website and not walk into something comparable within five minutes.

Re: Codebabes.com | Learn Coding and Web Development the Fun Way

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Post by weland » Fri, Apr 25, 2014, 3:06 PM UTC

pxlbryn wrote: post #22

weland wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this is likely an unpopular opinion but here it goes: what the fuck does this have to do with under-representation in our industry? There's medical-themed porn, school-themed porn and I'm sure someone in Japan has made at least one hacking-themed porn movie until now. That doesn't stop women from becoming doctors, going to school or hacking. There are striptease-themed news, too, and that doesn't prevent women…

The problem for me is that my wife is constantly trying to get into programming. The industry is already gender-biased enough. If she thinks that this is the kind of thing that programmers want - she's going to be turned off from continuing down that path.

Mine complained they don't have a version with male hotties, too. FML.

Re: Codebabes.com | Learn Coding and Web Development the Fun Way

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Post by weland » Fri, Apr 25, 2014, 3:08 PM UTC

wsc981 wrote: post #33

weland wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this is likely an unpopular opinion but here it goes: what the fuck does this have to do with under-representation in our industry? There's medical-themed porn, school-themed porn and I'm sure someone in Japan has made at least one hacking-themed porn movie until now. That doesn't stop women from becoming doctors, going to school or hacking. There are striptease-themed news, too, and that doesn't prevent women…

> "I know this is likely an unpopular opinion but here it goes: what the fuck does this have to do with under-representation in our industry?" I agree. Aren't woman underrepresented in most STEM jobs anyways? And overrepresented in other jobs like e.g. kindergarten teachers? Woman are just wired differently as men. And perhaps woman are also conditioned differently as men from a young age (girls get to play with doll…

I don't know it's a matter of men and women being "wired differently" or not, what I'm implying is that seriously, this site, while tasteless and of questionable educational quality, is really no more sexist than your average TV commercial, shopping mall or bar. Not everything with boobs is sexist, ffs.

Re: Codebabes.com | Learn Coding and Web Development the Fun Way

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Post by dragonwriter » Fri, Apr 25, 2014, 3:11 PM UTC

pxlbryn wrote: post #21

This is why we can't have nice things... It's hard to believe that anyone in this industry - after everything that's gone down in recent years - would be ignorant enough to create this. There's a direct link in "Our Philosophy" to http://programming-motherfucker.com/ (which also seems terribly misguided) but I really hope - for Zed's sake - that he's not involved in this idiotic project. I guess they're winning thoug…

> It's hard to believe that anyone in this industry - after everything that's gone down in recent years - would be ignorant enough to create this.

It's very easy to believe that someone with knowledge of this industry would believe that there is an audience for this, and its not surprising that someone in this industry would think that profiting from targeting such an audience is a good (for them) thing to do.

There's nothing about either the technical or business side of this industry that should give any reason to think that, whatever they might know factually, people in this industry in any capacity are somehow especially more socially responsible (as opposed to narrowly self-interested) than the rest of the population.

Even if you believe that people in our industry are unusually intelligent on average, there's no reason to think there's a particularly strong correlation between intelligence and any particular moral orientation (though, for some reason, people seem to want to believe that "intelligent" implies "shares my values".)