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A simple way Google could have avoided fucking up Google+

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Re: A simple way Google could have avoided fucking up Google+

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That's not the biggest problem, to me. Google+ maybe has not hit the target usage stats google wanted, but even when you love google+, it's awkward to use. I'm a daily google+ user and quite like the product. But when it comes to publishing, it always feels a bit off. I don't have a single public identity. I'm a rails developer, a news addict, a french citizen and since recently, a 3d printer user. Recently, I decide…

Interesting

The FB way of solving this is having a "fan page" for each topic

Pages exist in G+ but they're not as popular and not as integrated to the thing

Re: A simple way Google could have avoided fucking up Google+

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There were other things that google could have done, but I agree not enabling RSS was a poor decision on Google's part.

To understand why RSS was not enabled, we have to look at Larry Page and his rise to CEO. Larry Page became CEO at a time when Facebook was getting lots of attention for what was supposed to be nothing but lots of data. He believed Facebook lacked intelligence to analyze data, but he also envied Facebook's position of harnessing all sorts of data and doing it all without doing a single thing about interoperability.

So he established two trends at Google: kill interoperability and focus on chess pieces that will strengthen Google's position (killing interoperability was one way). RSS went out the window because then people would not join G+. G.Reader went out the window because there was no vision for the data it was gathering and no vision for how you could use it even though it was a major chess piece that Google could have leveraged in multiple ways, nevermind the subscriber base.

I believe for G+ to succeed it had to be 100% opt-in for every single feature that was made available. Btw, I have been forced to join G+ so often that I have dumped participation in nearly everything that requires it from Hangouts to Android App reviews.

Also, there needs to be vision for G+ other than to be a copycat of Facebook. I have thought on multiple occasions that to copy or compete with someone is to shoot yourself in the foot just because the other person also has a shot foot. To really copy someone, you need to copy vision. This way you don't copy flaws too.

Re: A simple way Google could have avoided fucking up Google+

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post #59

The biggest problem for me is all the FAKE ACTIVITY you can find in the platform. I ended up not believing google+, and not doing any effort to publish anything there. I have reasons to believe that most of the "follow" activity in google+ was managed by bots (google bots?) that took over zombie accounts just to simulate the community was alive. I have a real example. Without doing much, other than being featured in…

> All of our followers seemed to be zombie users with real names, but none of them had a real person behind them.

I can explain this quote with this quote.

> I ended up not believing google+, and not doing any effort to publish anything there.

Re: A simple way Google could have avoided fucking up Google+

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could even implement that with a metaphor that is used to address a similar problem in the real world. People will say something "I'm wearing my Engineers hat now" to make it clear that they are communicating from a particular viewpoint. Hats, and indeed Masks(where you see only the headgear and not the identity behind it), would be a great addition to Google+.

> Hats […] would be a great addition to Google+. Are you working at Valve?

Funny, but it's an older idea. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Thinking_Hats

Re: A simple way Google could have avoided fucking up Google+

#105

That's not the biggest problem, to me. Google+ maybe has not hit the target usage stats google wanted, but even when you love google+, it's awkward to use. I'm a daily google+ user and quite like the product. But when it comes to publishing, it always feels a bit off. I don't have a single public identity. I'm a rails developer, a news addict, a french citizen and since recently, a 3d printer user. Recently, I decide…

I apologize for the shameless plug, but we're at the early stages of solving some of the problems you mentioned at http://NowVia.com It lets you create topic-based "channels" that people can follow. So you could have one for 3-D printing, and when you add to it, you know everyone following it is specifically interested in 3-D printing. I'd love your feedback if you decide to have a play :-)

What I find works well: blog-style posting. With tags.

In Reddit you can approximate this with post flair (tedious to set up, but doable). See http://reddit.com/r/AskScience or http://reddit.com/r/AskHistorians for good examples.

Alternatively: an RSS reader with categorized streams I can follow. Again, Reddit offers this:

http://www.reddit.com/wiki/rss

http://www.reddit.com/r/pathogendavid/comments/tv8m9/pathoge...

Re: A simple way Google could have avoided fucking up Google+

#106

That's not the biggest problem, to me. Google+ maybe has not hit the target usage stats google wanted, but even when you love google+, it's awkward to use. I'm a daily google+ user and quite like the product. But when it comes to publishing, it always feels a bit off. I don't have a single public identity. I'm a rails developer, a news addict, a french citizen and since recently, a 3d printer user. Recently, I decide…

> May I publish an other one without annoying people that are following me for something else ?

Doesn't Google+ have "circles" which lets you decide who you want to share with? Couldn't that take care of the above issue?

Re: A simple way Google could have avoided fucking up Google+

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hats […] would be a great addition to Google+. Are you working at Valve?

No. Why?

There's some explanation in there somewhere:

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/idukg/valve_vs_most_...

Re: A simple way Google could have avoided fucking up Google+

#108
Lack of product improvement hurt Google+ the most. Too many important things, like organizing pictures, work badly. Some things, like managing events, are just terrible and full of bugs. Neither have improved. There is no reason to hope.

Contrast with Maps: Maps made Android. Maps is the embodiment of customer delight. And now that Maps is dominant, it just keeps improving with every release.

It is an execution failure.

Re: A simple way Google could have avoided fucking up Google+

#109
can we all agree that social networks/platforms like this are not easy. They may have 'screwed it up' in most opinions but it's not because of pure stupidity -- there are a ton of challenges and complexities here. Some of the integrations, albeit only parts, have been brilliant and worked really well in my eyes..... getting G+ to cover so many of the google services is a tough one. But then questions about complex vs. simple and circles and the endless battle between common consumer-level users and power users......and the whole Open net vs closed.....wow.. see, it's not easy ! heh

Re: A simple way Google could have avoided fucking up Google+

#110

That's not the biggest problem, to me. Google+ maybe has not hit the target usage stats google wanted, but even when you love google+, it's awkward to use. I'm a daily google+ user and quite like the product. But when it comes to publishing, it always feels a bit off. I don't have a single public identity. I'm a rails developer, a news addict, a french citizen and since recently, a 3d printer user. Recently, I decide…

> May I publish an other one without annoying people that are following me for something else ? Doesn't Google+ have "circles" which lets you decide who you want to share with? Couldn't that take care of the above issue?

That would fall under that option :

> publishing my french articles to a selected group of french people, hiding the content to anyone that might be interested and I don't know of

On google+, it's the publisher who decides which people are in which circle, not the reader who decides in which circle he wants to be (and circle names and person list are totally private).

So, if you publish to a circle rather than publicly, only people you added in circle will see your content. It's not guaranteed they actually care about it, and those who care about it and you don't know won't be able to see the content.

As others have mentioned, circles are meant for privacy (I want to publish this to my family, that to my close friends), not to separate content (I want to publicly talk about politics, I want to publicly talk about cats).

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