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SEO: 4 things huge sites are allowed to do but you’re not.

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Re: SEO: 4 things huge sites are allowed to do but you’re not.

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The most egregious example of a huge site doing things that smaller sites are not allowed to do is ... GOOGLE! Recently, I've seen its "survey wall" cropping up on more and more sites. It works like this: You do a Google search. You see a link to an article you want to read. You click through. You're met with a message that tells you that if you want to actually read the page, you have to complete a survey. And the w…

Weird - I have never seen this, and I don't have an adblocker installed, javascript disabled, etc. I wonder if this is geolocation- or browser-specific?

Re: SEO: 4 things huge sites are allowed to do but you’re not.

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When Google replaced other search engines like Altavista back in the last century, one thing that made it so special was that it was fully automated and didn't seem to favor anyone. Nowadays, post-Panda, things seem to have become a lot more murky, and I am not sure whom to thank for that (overzealous SEO folks perhaps who had tried to game Google's algorithm?). I mean seriously, have you ever received one of those "…

I think you mean post penguin, not post panda. Penguin is all about links, panda is about on site content.

Re: SEO: 4 things huge sites are allowed to do but you’re not.

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1 thing you're allowed to do: Ignore google completely. Build your business in such a way that it works, with or without google sending you traffic. That way you don't need to lose sleep over your rankings and you don't need to panic every 6 months when google updates their algorithms in a major way. Just treat them like you would treat the weather, enjoy it when it's nice but make sure your business runs even when i…

You can build your business in such a way that it works with or without Google, but it's going to work a lot better with Google than without it.

People do lose sleep over rankings, because in some industries, the amount of traffic and business generated by organic search is substantial. If you're relying almost entirely on Google search traffic, you are doing it wrong, but if you're ignoring organic optimization, you're also doing it wrong. Telling people who may be making many millions of dollars in revenue from organic search to just "treat it like the weather" is horrible advise. I think I know what you're saying, build up other traffic channels, but the way you're phrasing it makes that harder to see. At some point as marketing grows, most websites start branching off into many, many different areas -- paid, social, email, etc. -- but organic search is still a big part of the mix.

Panda and Penguin finally backed up what Google had been saying for years. The problem is that there is always a gap between what Google says to do and when Google chooses to specifically enforce what it had been saying. In the meantime, lot's of people exploit that gap.

The best long-term move is to do what's right, but when you see cases like this, you really lose trust in how Google is treating websites.

Re: SEO: 4 things huge sites are allowed to do but you’re not.

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Exactly. The article comes across a bit "look at all these tricks I know and want to use, but can't, but others can".

I don't know USA Today, but I don't see anything like the screenshot in the article when I visit it (from the UK).

Re: SEO: 4 things huge sites are allowed to do but you’re not.

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post #13
post #5

1 thing you're allowed to do: Ignore google completely. Build your business in such a way that it works, with or without google sending you traffic. That way you don't need to lose sleep over your rankings and you don't need to panic every 6 months when google updates their algorithms in a major way. Just treat them like you would treat the weather, enjoy it when it's nice but make sure your business runs even when i…

You can build your business in such a way that it works with or without Google, but it's going to work a lot better with Google than without it. People do lose sleep over rankings, because in some industries, the amount of traffic and business generated by organic search is substantial. If you're relying almost entirely on Google search traffic, you are doing it wrong, but if you're ignoring organic optimization, you…

The trouble is, anything you do to try to gain favour with a search indexer:

a) Is going to distract from the quality of your content, unless you should be doing it anyway

b) Is going to be irrelevant (at best) or counter to your original intent (at worst) when the indexer's algorithm changes, and Google are changing their algorithm all the time, with far more resources behind it than you have to keep up with it.

Re: SEO: 4 things huge sites are allowed to do but you’re not.

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post #9

The most egregious example of a huge site doing things that smaller sites are not allowed to do is ... GOOGLE! Recently, I've seen its "survey wall" cropping up on more and more sites. It works like this: You do a Google search. You see a link to an article you want to read. You click through. You're met with a message that tells you that if you want to actually read the page, you have to complete a survey. And the w…

It's not really cloaking, because it shows a snippet first. It's a good product for publishers who don't want to clog their pages with display ads. Would you rather that, or a godawful interstitial?

Re: SEO: 4 things huge sites are allowed to do but you’re not.

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post #3

When Google replaced other search engines like Altavista back in the last century, one thing that made it so special was that it was fully automated and didn't seem to favor anyone. Nowadays, post-Panda, things seem to have become a lot more murky, and I am not sure whom to thank for that (overzealous SEO folks perhaps who had tried to game Google's algorithm?). I mean seriously, have you ever received one of those "…

silly question: how do you know a link hurts you?

Re: SEO: 4 things huge sites are allowed to do but you’re not.

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post #17
post #3

When Google replaced other search engines like Altavista back in the last century, one thing that made it so special was that it was fully automated and didn't seem to favor anyone. Nowadays, post-Panda, things seem to have become a lot more murky, and I am not sure whom to thank for that (overzealous SEO folks perhaps who had tried to game Google's algorithm?). I mean seriously, have you ever received one of those "…

silly question: how do you know a link hurts you?

I would like to know as well.

Re: SEO: 4 things huge sites are allowed to do but you’re not.

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can build your business in such a way that it works with or without Google, but it's going to work a lot better with Google than without it. People do lose sleep over rankings, because in some industries, the amount of traffic and business generated by organic search is substantial. If you're relying almost entirely on Google search traffic, you are doing it wrong, but if you're ignoring organic optimization, you…

The trouble is, anything you do to try to gain favour with a search indexer: a) Is going to distract from the quality of your content, unless you should be doing it anyway b) Is going to be irrelevant (at best) or counter to your original intent (at worst) when the indexer's algorithm changes, and Google are changing their algorithm all the time, with far more resources behind it than you have to keep up with it.

You "A" point is why we've seen the rise of "content marketing" over the past few years.

Of course, that practice gets exploited a lot, with people using word mixers, automated article writing, low quality writing, etc. as a means to just fill up their websites.

However, there are lots of businesses that do content marketing in such a way that it benefits the company's search rankings, but also provides high value content to interested person. Since we're talking SEO, look at Moz. They sell premium tools to help companies improve their search rankings, but also offer a wealth of free, quality information to people interested in online marketing.

Re: SEO: 4 things huge sites are allowed to do but you’re not.

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This is clickbait. The last story they had on HackerNews was shortly after the RapGenius drama. According to someone smeared in that story they tried to blackmail him: Pay us and we won't publish. Tweets from them collaborate this: "It is a report on Expedia BH (Blackhat) SEO, check your G+ account Martin, anyone in charge can contact us back. Yes, my husband contacted you there, please keep communication with him.". I usually do not mind an agenda, but in this case I do not want any HN readers burned by this company. This post will give them 1000s of visitors and perhaps a few clients.

So there definately is an agenda. Google banned a few of these people's sites. They are not happy about that. But they still have something worthwhile to say right? Wrong. This is only written to create uninformed controversy and a difficult PR problem for Google.

They are not insiders leaking how big sites do shady SEO. They were creating spammy small sites and sometimes were sourced to write linkstuffed articles for bigger sites. They can see just as much as we can see.

We don't know if these tactics are even working. Maybe Google already discounted any links, through algorithmic detection, spam reports or manual spam fighters. Who knows? Certainly not the spammers that were caught time and time again: Proving Google is way ahead of them. Google can't ever say: These guys are right, we favor big sites. But that is the popular sentiment they are exploiting. One does not have to feel sorry for Google, but I hope people realize the position they're in here.

If you want to know more about how Google fights spam (they probably dinged a few major sites during the time it took me to write this post): http://www.google.com/insidesearch/howsearchworks/fighting-s...

If you want actionable SEO advice for your startup: http://hackersandfounders.tv/RDmt/rand-fishkin-inbound-marke... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El3IZFGERbM

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