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Larry has paralysis of part of his voice box, which explains the tone of his voice.
That's more recent.
No, he has had partial paralysis since he was a kid, and then more problems once he was an adult.
The Story Of Larry Page's Comeback
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
> so they threw out Asperger's, said it wasn't a real mental illness after all, thus postponing the day or reckoning. Say what you want about Asperger's, but my son has autism and I can assure you it's a real mental health disorder, however many kids might somehow get diagnosed with it.
> Say what you want about Asperger's, but my son has autism ... Yes, but you're mixing different things. Autism is a category that includes a "Rain Man" level of functioning, but Asperger's was a diagnosis du jour that picked out brighter-than-normal kids, plus a raft of historical figures including Albert Einstein, in a way that made it seem like an attractive diagnosis, such that now, we have people objecting, sayi…
I am a guy that is probably an aspie, but recently I decided to stop using that label (or any other label).
There is a sort of "aspie boom" and now everyone is a aspie, and claiming (rightfully or not) to be one makes people think you are a narcissistic or egoistical liar instead.
What I do is just try to fix my social problems as I can, and say sorry when I do something bad (that happily, is becoming more and more uncommon after I learned that Asperger's existed, plainly because it helped me become self aware of what exactly I was doing wrong that piss off other people).
Also recently I started to think that maybe almost everyone of the MBTI type INTP (and some INTJ) are aspies (not that they have a disorder, but in their sense that their normal behavior gets labelled as a disorder symptom), but that idea is too new on my head for now, I did not dwelled too much on it.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Autism and asperger's are now on the "autism spectrum disorder": http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/autism-spectrum-disord...
For the record, Asperger's is gone. It was cast out because it seemed that everyone was "suffering" from it. http://www.autismspeaks.org/dsm-5/faq#asperger The above means people can use the word "Asperger's" if they want, but it has been denied any clinical meaning. The reason is that it didn't have a clearly defined clinical meaning to begin with.
No.
Diagnosing mental illness is a very inexact science since multiple etiologies can create very similar symptoms. And a single etiology or difference can create many divergent ones [edit for clarity: symptoms].
It wasn't cast out because everyone was suffering from it. It was simply put into the lump categorization of Autism Spectrum Disorder: http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Autism%20Spectrum%20Disorder%2...
From the document:
"Researchers found that these separate diagnoses were not consistently applied across different clinics and treatment centers. Anyone diagnosed with one of the four pervasive developmental disorders (PDD) from DSM-IV should still meet the criteria for ASD in DSM-5 or another, more accurate DSM-5 diagnosis."
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#94That was one of the best articles I've ever read, with regards to new information and excellent story telling.
Wow, i thought it was appalling! "he expected he’d have to make a choice between becoming an academic and building a company. Choosing the former would mean giving up the opportunity to become the inventor of widely used applications. But building a company would force him to deal with people in a way he didn’t enjoy." How overly simplistic and descriptive that is. Going academic, would, in it's most 2014'ish, pop-cu…
> How overly simplistic and descriptive that is. Going academic, would, in it's most 2014'ish, pop-cultaral-way, mean that you probably wouldn't go on to make any cool apps.
I read that as the dilemma that Page was facing, not an absolute truism. This is an article about Larry Page at Google. It seems silly to be annoyed at the author for simplifying the dichotomy between academia and industry to move us through his life.
> If you manage to get through the introductory number slalom, it reads like the script for a trailer to a new action flick!
Oh shut up, that was a nice piece of writing. It was an interesting hook, a nice way to introduce a main theme of the article; Larry Page's admiration of Nikola Tesla. It may have been flashy but considering how well it fits into the rest of the article (and indeed, the quality of the writing) I'd hardly call it sloppy. Although maybe we just have different standards.
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#95"With little emotion, speaking in his usual flat, robotic tone[...]As Page talked, he kept his gaze averted, resisting direct eye contact." Journalists have a tendency of portraying figures in tech circles as being on the spectrum, while very often that isn't the case.
It's not just journalists. Both Amazon's Betas and HBO's Silicon Valley could not resist the temptation to make Asperger's jokes in their first episodes. HBO's Silicon Valley's usage even made it into the trailer. To be fair, I suppose an argument can be made that the shows are reflecting the common view of people in technology. It's weird to me, because I don't think being nervous around people you're not familiar w…
In "Silicon Valley," at least (have not yet seen "Betas"), the people who toss around Aspergers jokes tend to be unsympathetic rubes or dolts, like the farmer in the third episode.
To an extent, yes, the audience is meant to laugh at the protagonist's expense when these jokes pop up. But he's getting the last laugh in the end, and the show makes that pretty clear.
For whatever it's worth, the show's leads really don't come across as having Aspergers. They come across as being socially awkward, perhaps even to a painful degree. But Mike Judge & co seem pretty sensitive in drawing that line. They might go for a cheap laugh every now and then, but we're not meant to take those "diagnoses" literally.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow, i thought it was appalling! "he expected he’d have to make a choice between becoming an academic and building a company. Choosing the former would mean giving up the opportunity to become the inventor of widely used applications. But building a company would force him to deal with people in a way he didn’t enjoy." How overly simplistic and descriptive that is. Going academic, would, in it's most 2014'ish, pop-cu…
> How overly simplistic and descriptive that is. Going academic, would, in it's most 2014'ish, pop-cultaral-way, mean that you probably wouldn't go on to make any cool apps. I read that as the dilemma that Page was facing, not an absolute truism. This is an article about Larry Page at Google. It seems silly to be annoyed at the author for simplifying the dichotomy between academia and industry to move us through his…
> I read that as the dilemma that Page was facing, not an absolute truism. This is an article about Larry Page at Google. It seems silly to be annoyed at the author for simplifying the dichotomy between academia and industry to move us through his life.
No, I get that it was about Larry, and I see why the author set it up like that. But writing "...the opportunity to become the inventor of widely used applications", seems like such a simplification of what it's actually about: A choice between two very different ways of expressing your creativity (granted you do research/publicise in academia). I really hope Larry built a company with more thought behind it than making the next Flappy Bird. I.e. SpaceX wasn't founded because Musk wanted to be an "inventor" of top 40 apps, and it seems like Larry didn't either, judging from the article.
And the other phrase "... would force him to deal with people in a way he didn’t enjoy". Something about that rubs me the wrong way as well. Maybe it's a bit too soft? I mean, sucks to be you Larry, not enjoying socialising, but welcome to the real world.
I don't want to seem too harsh, I'm only replying because it's nice to put ones thoughts into writing once in a while.
> Although maybe we just have different standards.
Maybe, but starting that discussion means that we'll probably start talking about "high/low" standards, and I try not to think like that.
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#97I realize that it's an aside in the article but I wanted to contradict something: > What’s less well understood is that Apple’s board and investors were absolutely right to fire Jobs. Early in his career, he was petulant, mean, and destructive This idea (Jobs needed to be away from Apple to improve himself) gets mentioned a lot but I think it's nonsense. First: Jobs was petulant, mean and destructive to people he dis…
This idea (Jobs needed to be away from Apple to improve himself) gets mentioned a lot but I think it's nonsense. First: Jobs was petulant, mean and destructive to people he disagreed with – for his whole life. He never dropped this trait.
You don't think age, experience and his spirituality made any difference at all to these tendencies and the ways he applied them?
Of course we'll never know what would've happened had he stayed at Apple.
But I find it very plausible that had he stayed, the company could have ended up in even worse trouble, and that the maturity, experience and outsider's perspective he developed in his time away were critical in enabling him to attain the level of success he achieved on his return.
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#98There are some truly strange and incongruous turns of phrase in this article - "Google's human resources boss, a serious woman with bangs named Stacey Sullivan", "Finally Rosing, a bald man in glasses, began to speak", "Though he was an appealing presence with above-average height and nearly black hair", etc. It strikes me the author would far rather be writing Mills & Boon novels than articles for Business Insider.
I just deleted the comment about the bangs. Really does read awkwardly.
I enjoyed the piece and it's long form content and flow - some of the descriptions of the people (of people I'd met, people I'd heard of many times and people I'd never known existed) were nice additional things in the story.
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Agreed, but to be fair, people have a lot more email these days.
Yeah, but Gmail's inbox view is paginated. I don't think the number of conversations shown on a single page has changed since then. Maybe the conversations themselves have gotten longer? I'm sure Google's engineers could get the page load time down if it was a priority. I think at this point everyone is so invested in Gmail they just aren't that worried about losing users because of slower UI load times.
I would imagine this is due to user behavior. How often do you refresh a gmail tab? I leave mine open for days, so having it load the entire app slowly isn't an issue. What is important is updating in realtime when a new email comes in and opening those almost instantly when I select them. If that is the norm, then initial page loads aren't nearly as important.
Re: The Story Of Larry Page's Comeback
#100I realize that it's an aside in the article but I wanted to contradict something: > What’s less well understood is that Apple’s board and investors were absolutely right to fire Jobs. Early in his career, he was petulant, mean, and destructive This idea (Jobs needed to be away from Apple to improve himself) gets mentioned a lot but I think it's nonsense. First: Jobs was petulant, mean and destructive to people he dis…
This idea (Jobs needed to be away from Apple to improve himself) gets mentioned a lot but I think it's nonsense. First: Jobs was petulant, mean and destructive to people he disagreed with – for his whole life. He never dropped this trait. You don't think age, experience and his spirituality made any difference at all to these tendencies and the ways he applied them? Of course we'll never know what would've happened h…
Maybe. Certainly he learned something. But something about your comment bothers me.
You speculated that had he stayed, the company could have ended up in worse trouble. But try to imagine if he did have the power to fire everyone like he did upon his return to Apple from the start. That might have made a difference too.
But like you said, we'll never know