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Comcast response to Netflix

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Re: Comcast response to Netflix

#21
How are we supposed to believe them when they say that "there is no need for us to engage in a point-counterpoint with Netflix"

If you won't challenge Netflix's argument, then it's your word against theirs. And one of those two companies isn't trying to become the largest ISP in the country.

Re: Comcast response to Netflix

#22
"Internet interconnection has nothing to do with net neutrality; it’s all about Netflix wanting to unfairly shift its costs from its customers to all Internet customers, regardless of whether they subscribe to Netflix or not."

Really it's Comcast's customers who are using Netflix and those customers are paying them for an X Mbps connection. I don't see what difference it makes if the data comes from Netflix or some other source. It sounds like what Comcast really wants are data caps for their users but those don't do well with consumers. Instead they're targeting the largest content suppliers.

Re: Comcast response to Netflix

#23
I'm not too versed in this argument, so could someone please explain why Netflix's activities aren't covered by the normal peering agreements that make the "internet backbone" work? Doesn't Netflix pay it's ISP appropriately which gets disseminated by the other ISPs the traffic gets routed through?

Re: Comcast response to Netflix

#24
I wrote a comment on this site:

" I call BS Comcast, You had larger transit networks in place and refused to activate them until Netflix paid. That has nothing to do with costs to consumers. They are just murdering your antiquated business model and you keep crying foul. Fios is a much better product than anything you offer."

It is currently being moderated by "Comcast Voices", lets see how much they support a Open Internet.

Re: Comcast response to Netflix

#25
post #9

Where's the actual response, there's more disclaimer than content there

Yeah!

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Re: Comcast response to Netflix

#26
post #4

You lost me at "No ISP in the country has been a stronger supporter of the Open Internet than Comcast" I'm sorry Comcast but if you can't fullfil our agreement (Internet access) then you aren't an ISP in my mind. I pay you for an Internet connection, not for the ability to send packets at someone else -- they get to respond to me as well, that's part of our deal.

And is Comcast supposed to wire up every server for free? If I stick up a box and slap on a 1Gbps uplink to some hosting company that only bought 100Mbps from Comcast, should Comcast now give my and my hoster free access because you decided to download a video file from my server?

Re: Comcast response to Netflix

#27
The quoted AT&T piece is quite interesting:

http://www.attpublicpolicy.com/consumers-2/who-should-pay-fo...

Particularly because the comments on the AT&T page by its own customers completely demolish the argument.

These ISPs are seriously arguing that the cost to upgrade their own networks to deliver the content their own customers are requesting should fall on the other side of the link. They're arguing this apparently even after Netflix/Akamai/etc have build CDNs to deliver the content right next to their subscribers. They're not even having to build a backbone.

Re: Comcast response to Netflix

#29
The Comcast argument that "Netflix [...] try to make all Internet users pay for its costs of doing business" reads to me like, "We can't actually offer everyone the bandwidth we have sold them so we either have to raise our rates or charge the largest content providers in order to keep our profit margins."

There may be one, but this isn't a very compelling argument as to why large content providers should need to pay Comcast.

Re: Comcast response to Netflix

#30
post #22

"Internet interconnection has nothing to do with net neutrality; it’s all about Netflix wanting to unfairly shift its costs from its customers to all Internet customers, regardless of whether they subscribe to Netflix or not." Really it's Comcast's customers who are using Netflix and those customers are paying them for an X Mbps connection. I don't see what difference it makes if the data comes from Netflix or some o…

No it's not like that. You're sort of implying that Netflix/Cogent should get free peering with Comcast because subscribers want to access Netflix.

With this logic, why should anyone have to pay for hosting bandwidth?

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