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The Story Of Larry Page's Comeback

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+1 a great article

I had the privilege/fun of consulting at Google for four months last year and getting a glimpse inside the company was more than interesting.

I think the filter that projects should offer 10x improvements sets high expectations. If Google is the first to develop a general purpose AI then their valuation will approach infinity.

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Early Googler here. It's funny how often the story of the mass-firing is misreported. This article gets two basic facts wrong: 1) Larry was targeting engineering management, not project management. 2) Nobody was fired. The engineering managers shifted to pure engineering roles (an easy move, since they all had technical backgrounds). On many teams, the managers continued managing, but they did it more discreetly, tak…

#2 is actually in the story. Unless you're saying they got the particulars wrong? "The project managers Page had intended to fire that day were instead brought into Google’s growing operations organization, under the leadership of Urs Hözle."

I think even that part is mostly wrong. The author confuses project and engineering managers, but more importantly, this notion that Larry wanted to fire all of them is just not true. The managers all had technical backgrounds (CS degrees, usually) so the plan was for them to go back to writing code. I also don't remember a bunch of people moving to Urs' team. Maybe one or two? Most stayed with their teams.

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This article kind of oddly goes out of its way to erase Sergey from Google's history (and present and future). It's always seemed to me that they have a very beneficial symbiosis.

The idea of investors bringing in a "professional" CEO has largely died, thankfully. It must have been incredibly frustrating for Sergey/Larry to see a younger Mark Zuckerberg go from strength to strength as Founder/CEO while they had to pretend Schmidt was in charge for "adult supervision".

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"With little emotion, speaking in his usual flat, robotic tone[...]As Page talked, he kept his gaze averted, resisting direct eye contact." Journalists have a tendency of portraying figures in tech circles as being on the spectrum, while very often that isn't the case.

Hi! Nicholas here. I'm not a doctor, and I don't diagnose Page in the story with any sort of disorder or condition. I just describe.

I wasn't implying it was an intentional, just that it looks to me it's often the case that the portrayal tends to support the typical stereotypes.

That said, I really enjoyed the article, which I find really well-researched and well-written. Most of all I appreciate the fact that you, unlike writers on most publications, didn't waste time on useless descriptions of physical features or buildings and surroundings, and kept them to a minimum . Also, it's great that you reached out here on HN.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to clarify what you mean by "on the spectrum", do you mean the mental illness one? It's a new expression for me and searching only came up with things related to autism, etc.

It normally means on the Autism spectrum, which, if you understand contemporary clinical psychology, can mean anything or nothing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum For a time about ten years ago, it seemed as though everyone would be placed on the Autism spectrum, but psychologists realized what that would mean (i.e. if everyone is mentally ill, then no one is), so they threw out Asperger's, said it wasn'…

Unless you happen to know and care for someone who actually is on the autism spectrum, it's probably best not to go around talking as if you know what it's about.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It normally means on the Autism spectrum, which, if you understand contemporary clinical psychology, can mean anything or nothing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum For a time about ten years ago, it seemed as though everyone would be placed on the Autism spectrum, but psychologists realized what that would mean (i.e. if everyone is mentally ill, then no one is), so they threw out Asperger's, said it wasn'…

> so they threw out Asperger's, said it wasn't a real mental illness after all, thus postponing the day or reckoning. Say what you want about Asperger's, but my son has autism and I can assure you it's a real mental health disorder, however many kids might somehow get diagnosed with it.

> Say what you want about Asperger's, but my son has autism ...

Yes, but you're mixing different things. Autism is a category that includes a "Rain Man" level of functioning, but Asperger's was a diagnosis du jour that picked out brighter-than-normal kids, plus a raft of historical figures including Albert Einstein, in a way that made it seem like an attractive diagnosis, such that now, we have people objecting, saying, "No! I'm an Aspie and I don't care what you psychologists say!"

Such a thing has never happened before -- there has never been a reverse stigma to a mental illness diagnosis. When psychologists saw people lining up to get this cool new diagnosis, they knew they had gone too far, so they started a process to remove Asperger's from the diagnostic manuals before their credibility was further eroded.

Remember when you read about Asperger's that psychologists, who have every reason to hold onto established diagnoses, couldn't wait to get rid of Asperger's and the embarrassment it caused them.

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50, 100 years from now, Larry Page (if he's even dead yet) will be remembered as one of the more impactful people in human history.

Why specifically? History is long, think of Einstein, the person that invented the penicillin, vaccines, the transistor.... Search engines existed before Page, granted not as good but they existed. Google rode the internet explosion, whereas Jobs and (drumroll...) Gates brought a computer in every home. What he will be remembered is for tainting the Google brand. It was golden, now in many circles they see them as bi…

Honestly, I think widespread automated cars will be enough (And I am going to go out on a limb and say that Google technology will be in a huge number of automobiles 25 years from today), but if G has its way, and GFiber transforms ISP/Content delivery, their energy initiatives with windblimp turbines, deep machine learning for medicine, actual robotic assistants, G Books... The list goes on and on. Search is just the cash engine for the truly transformative tech.

There has rarely been an industrial force with the ambition Page gives to Google. If they succeed in even half measures on some of these initiatives, it will be transformative.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It normally means on the Autism spectrum, which, if you understand contemporary clinical psychology, can mean anything or nothing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum For a time about ten years ago, it seemed as though everyone would be placed on the Autism spectrum, but psychologists realized what that would mean (i.e. if everyone is mentally ill, then no one is), so they threw out Asperger's, said it wasn'…

Unless you happen to know and care for someone who actually is on the autism spectrum, it's probably best not to go around talking as if you know what it's about.

It happens that I have studied this issue extensively, and it is psychologists who need to learn more about the topic. Had this been true, Asperger's would never have been allowed as a diagnosis -- which happens to be what psychologists reluctantly decided when they voted to remove Asperger's from the field's diagnostic manual.
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