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A survey of 911 dispatchers reveals the cost of bad technology

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Re: A survey of 911 dispatchers reveals the cost of bad technology

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Is anyone working on something better than signal strength triangulation for cell tower based positioning? It seems crazy to me that we can get accuracy of a few meters using weak signals from satellites in space, while the strong signals from nearby cell towers give you only kilometer level accuracy.

> Is anyone working on something better than signal strength triangulation for cell tower based positioning? First, cell towers do better than mere signal strength triangulation -- they use signal arrival time and round-trip time to get a pretty good fix on a phone's location. Not nearly as good as GPS, but reasonably good. Second, smartphones have GPS receivers, and some of those allow the GPS position to accompany…

>they use signal arrival time and round-trip time

Do you have a source for this? As far as I know this is not true. They use signal strength and knowledge of cell tower antenna locations, but not time of flight of the radio signal, as GPS does.

Re: A survey of 911 dispatchers reveals the cost of bad technology

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It should be the other way! Smartphones should have an emergency button. Pressing the button should automatically call 911 (or 112) and speaking using a Text-To-Speech TTS software (Siri, etc.) the name of the phone owner and the GPS coordinate, street address, etc. This technology is already built in e.g. Ford cars (using Nuance/Microsoft speech technology, using automatic Bluetooth to call via the phone) - at the s…

You don't need a special emergency button. It wouldn't be hard for the phone to provide that info to emergency dispatchers whenever 911 was dialed at the same time as it was connection the call.

Re: A survey of 911 dispatchers reveals the cost of bad technology

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It should be the other way! Smartphones should have an emergency button. Pressing the button should automatically call 911 (or 112) and speaking using a Text-To-Speech TTS software (Siri, etc.) the name of the phone owner and the GPS coordinate, street address, etc. This technology is already built in e.g. Ford cars (using Nuance/Microsoft speech technology, using automatic Bluetooth to call via the phone) - at the s…

I think you're on to something there. Theoretically the auto-dial button wouldn't be necessary because the phone knows what number it's calling, so no matter how you connect with emergency services it could know to initiate the procedure for providing location information.

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While this does describe a real problem that we want to address, article reads like surveillance propaganda. I think it reads that way because of strong implication that cell phone technology is bad because it does not allow authorities to obtain quick geolocation fix on a cell phone.

Agreed, we have to be wary of this being turned into an argument for more blanket surveillance or for constant tracking of cellphone geolocation data. But the conclusion does not have to be that. It would be good, for example, if cellphones could deliver rapid and accurate geolocation data specifically when the cellphone had initiated a call to a known emergency number.

Re: A survey of 911 dispatchers reveals the cost of bad technology

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First responder here. I am a professional Firefighter/EMT in Arizona.

Its not just 911 calls from cell phones, its the whole stack. This will hopefully illustrate the problems we have;

Last night we were dispatched to an MVA (accident) with injuries. The 911 call came in from a passer by on a cell phone, but gave the wrong address.

A police officer near by, responded as well. When the officer arrived, he told Dispatch that the accident was on XYZ st. Dispatch corrected our address on our MDT (the computer in the Engine) and updated over the radio. We drove to the intersection, but couldn't find the accident.

I am the driver of the engine, so I ask my Captain if we should just head south a litter further to gain some elevation and look for lights. This is all while making appropriate radio transmissions. We drive a little further south up a small hill and find the Accident. The accident is on the street the officer said it was on. Dispatch didn't have an updated map that reflected the connection of two streets and the streets name change. They had dispatched us to the old intersection.

We were delayed about 4 minutes and the injuries were not serious, thankfully. However, this is pretty common.

We have two laptops on every truck. We have a brand new digital radio system. We have a year old CAD (dispatch) software package. We use electronic patient reporting and transmit full telemetries (patient reports) via a shitty web app.

Our laptops do not cross pollenate (share data). Our radio system doesn't work with police unless we coordinate beforehand or activate the MMRS system which is reserved for homeland security type events. The radio system has all kinds of other problems, it is fully software defined radio. Our patient data from the EKG monitors do not talk to the EPCR (electronic patient...) software. Our EPCR data does not cross pollenate with the shitty web app for transmission to the hospitals. CAD; Maps are a cluster f* and its too expensive to use Google maps apparently. The CAD software has all kinds of bugs for data extraction Ie. calls are doubled, missing and more.

Believe it or not we have Fire/EMS departments from around the country visiting us as we are very, very advanced in terms of technology in the Fire/EMS service. I've made two android apps for our department to use, an easy SOP reader and a Fire pump calculator. I am actively trying to come up with solutions to fix our problems via MORE! software...haha

Re: A survey of 911 dispatchers reveals the cost of bad technology

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While this does describe a real problem that we want to address, article reads like surveillance propaganda. I think it reads that way because of strong implication that cell phone technology is bad because it does not allow authorities to obtain quick geolocation fix on a cell phone.

ANI/ALI look it up. We did not have these problems when the majority of 911 calls originated from land lines. period. full stop.

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All phones should have the ability to send your location to the other end of any call/SMS at the press of a button. There should also be no way a remote entity can trigger this...

Then the feature would be useful in day to day life and would be well supported. We have to stop treating emergency communications as something special. The actual problem here is a lack of proper standards.

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The problem I've had with reporting accidents is that the phone isn't loud enough to be heard over other traffic. So I can't hear the 911 dispatcher.

My guess is they're being volume-limited to protect people's hearing, but in a high ambient-noise environment (like, standing beside an interstate) it really needs to be louder.

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First responder here. I am a professional Firefighter/EMT in Arizona. Its not just 911 calls from cell phones, its the whole stack. This will hopefully illustrate the problems we have; Last night we were dispatched to an MVA (accident) with injuries. The 911 call came in from a passer by on a cell phone, but gave the wrong address. A police officer near by, responded as well. When the officer arrived, he told Dispatc…

I'd be interested to know exactly why Google Maps would be too expensive. Is it the licensing of the maps from Google that costs too much, or the development of new software to use the new map source data?

In the case of the former, I wonder if OpenStreetMap is any better than CAD Maps' existing map source.

Re: A survey of 911 dispatchers reveals the cost of bad technology

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It should be the other way! Smartphones should have an emergency button. Pressing the button should automatically call 911 (or 112) and speaking using a Text-To-Speech TTS software (Siri, etc.) the name of the phone owner and the GPS coordinate, street address, etc. This technology is already built in e.g. Ford cars (using Nuance/Microsoft speech technology, using automatic Bluetooth to call via the phone) - at the s…

You don't need a special emergency button. It wouldn't be hard for the phone to provide that info to emergency dispatchers whenever 911 was dialed at the same time as it was connection the call.

Lets say you just had a stroke or something. I honestly can't imagine how hard it would be to dial 911 on a modern touch screen phone if you are mentally or physically incapacitated.

Seriously, it it kind of scares the crap out of me visualizing how I'd dial for an emergency if shit hit the fan and for whatever reason I wasn't my normal self.

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