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Re: Ask HN: Examples of tech worker cooperatives?

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Igalia, http://www.igalia.com/ -- 40+ people, 11 or 12 years old (I forget!).

A few articles I wrote on working at Igalia last year:

http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/06/05/no-master

http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/06/13/but-that-would-be-an...

http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/06/25/time-for-money

Re: Ask HN: Examples of tech worker cooperatives?

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I don't want to draw out a tenuous claim: but in some ways most tech companies (and particularly early-stage startups) are more like cooperatives than has historically been the case in corporations. As Sam Altman's recent article on employee equity points to, being liberal with ownership is considered a virtue in technology companies. Long-gone are the days where you can build a technology company and keep all the ow…

This is a pretty ridiculous thing to say.

90% for us 2, 10% for the rest of you!

Not at all what a co-op is about.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of tech worker cooperatives?

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post #21

Igalia, http://www.igalia.com/ -- 40+ people, 11 or 12 years old (I forget!). A few articles I wrote on working at Igalia last year: http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/06/05/no-master http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/06/13/but-that-would-be-an... http://wingolog.org/archives/2013/06/25/time-for-money

hah! I was just coming here to comment and mention Igalia, but you beat me to it. :)

Igalia is a great company, really wonderful people and they do fantastic work. I really love the model they've created for the company.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of tech worker cooperatives?

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At ArtsPool we are in the process of building a cooperative of NYC arts nonprofits centered around a collectively-owned administrative agency. Part of this will involve building out a co-employment legal structure to create a fluid labor network that will effectively allow agency member-owners to "insource" employee time from their peers on an ad hoc basis. Eventually we want to white label our solutions and make them open source so that any nonprofit sector in any city can use them, but for now we are focusing on a the arts sector in NYC. It's all very preliminary and we are really wrestling with a fear of new ideas that is endemic in nonprofit culture, but we are taking a lot of inspiration from what is going on in the tech sector (where problems are things to be solved and not monsters under the bed). There's more on our co-employment approach on our nascent blog and in the Collective Insourcing concept paper that the project is based on (linked to in the post below). http://artspool.co/stronger-together/

I'm Max and I'm new to HN. My contact info is in the team section of our website if you want to chat further or get a copy of our fleshed-out business plan. I also need to hire a developer soon so... :-)

Re: Ask HN: Examples of tech worker cooperatives?

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When the new equity crowdfunding rules go into effect, I was thinking a more interesting model could involve equity. Every person in a "startup cooperative" could own a piece of everyone else's startup. It might help minimize the risk with doing a startup if you own a small piece of a number of other companies.

That's really quite a cool idea. Definitely do it! I'd be interested in helping to build it. The cooperative rules are, I think, quite different in the US and UK, but I'm reasonably familiar with it in the UK.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of tech worker cooperatives?

#29
Not a direct response to OP's question, but I wanted to give some general background info on worker cooperatives and coops in general.

A cooperative is type of a business entity that does not have outside shareholders. Rather, its members are its owners.

So, in the case of a worker cooperative, the people who work for the business are its member-owners. (In the case of a consumer cooperative, its patrons are its member-owners.)

What are some benefits of cooperative businesses?

For one thing, because the business is not beholden to outside shareholders, who typically only have an interest in the financial health of the company, it can make decisions that a for-profit company might not be at liberty to make.

For instance, a for-profit bank, under shareholder pressure, might introduce sneaky hidden fees to increase its bottom line -- but at the expense of irritating its patrons. That just wouldn't happen with a credit union (a form of cooperative), because the investors and patrons are one in the same, and their interests are aligned.

Another big benefit, and this is especially true with tech companies, is that the member-owners are invested in the company's success in a way that mere employees are not -- and they have the decision-making power to actually influence how the company operates, because coops are democratically controlled. A lot of tech companies grant stock options and offer profit-sharing programs, but stock options can be a crap shoot (there are a lot of ways for them to end up being worthless, even when the company is profiting handsomely), and profit-sharing doesn't necessarily mean power-sharing.

There are two major downsides to operating a business as a coop, though. One is that you have to raise all of your capital from your members, rather than relying on outside investment. That can be really tough, especially when you're just starting out.

The other downside is regulatory. I'm not sure how it works in other countries, but in the U.S., there are a lot of restrictions and hoops you have to jump through. For instance, consumer cooperatives must restrict membership based on some type of common bond -- a geographic area or an alumni association, for instance. But some types of businesses just don't flourish unless you open them up to everyone. This is less of a problem, though, for worker cooperatives.

I'm a big fan of the cooperative movement, and the broader distributist movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism), and I wish more people knew about the benefits coops offer.

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