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Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by jleader »

iandanforth wrote: post #79

This makes me sad. My interpretation of these events was that a toxic employee instigated a witch hunt and was successful. By simple observation of numbers here, you probably disagree with this. But for the few of you that do agree with this point of view, take it as a reminder of the crucial role of hiring. You can easily hire the person who ruins your company's culture and causes your downfall.

If losing one executive at a 200+ employee company "ruins the company's culture and causes [that company's] downfall", then that company and that executive have been doing it wrong!

Regardless of the facts of the case and whatever damage it may have done to GitHub's culture, if this incident and this individual's departure are enough to cause GitHub's ruin and downfall, then that's evidence of an absurdly fragile company and culture.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by Bahamut »

astrodust wrote: post #176
Bahamut wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best talent probably won't be so quick/shallow/naive to pass judgment so quickly. It probably will challenge their recruitment of women though.

So "women" and "best talent" are mutually exclusive? Classy.

That was absolutely not my implication - that is an incredibly dishonest commentary on my post.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

#193

Post by leccine »

bitlord_219 wrote: post #155
leccine wrote: post #140

GitHub did the right thing and it turns out that Ms. Horvath accusations were without any basis. She not just damaged the gender equality efforts harder for everybody but raised visibility about how hiring females can damage your company's reputation. This is not the right way of fighting for the good case. A good example how to challenge the status quo: http://qz.com/192071/how-one-college-went-from-10-female-com...…

How do you suggest she should have responded, rather than calling them out publicly?

First of all, if you have problem with your employment you sit down with your manager or your peers and talk about it. If you can resolve the case right there great if not, escalate. If you still think that they mistreat you, get a lawyer. Going public with accusations that you can't prove is certainly not the way. Look at her now, you think that there is any company on this planet which is going to risk the same process that was done to Github on a maximum mediocre engineer? I don't think so. This pretty much a lose lose situation as I can see it. Not to mention the post from that anonymous employee who states that in fact Ms. Horvath was starting this entire scandal due to jealousy and trying to undermine other people's reputation. You really think that this is they way to go?

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

#195

Post by ffbellfhtlflf »

falcolas wrote: post #13
gregimba wrote: post #2

I don't even know what to make of this. They say there was no evidence but he is still resigning.

No _legal_ wrongdoing. This reads to me as "Tom royally fucked up, but not enough to break any laws."

Have you read this? https://medium.com/p/d96f431f4e8e How are you making baseless assumptions alllllll over the thread? Absolutely ridiculous, mud-raking behavior you should be ashamed

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

#196

Post by dasil003 »

leccine wrote: post #140

GitHub did the right thing and it turns out that Ms. Horvath accusations were without any basis. She not just damaged the gender equality efforts harder for everybody but raised visibility about how hiring females can damage your company's reputation. This is not the right way of fighting for the good case. A good example how to challenge the status quo: http://qz.com/192071/how-one-college-went-from-10-female-com...…

"it turns out"?

Are you f'ing serious? You read that legalistic statement and take that to be the whole truth and final word a priori? This is just too naive for words.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by [deleted] »

cjbprime wrote: post #14

There appear to have been weirdnesses around the investigation, such as Julie Ann Horvath (and other ex-employees) remaining uncontacted until it was wrapping up: https://twitter.com/nrrrdcore/status/453298152569720832 So I don't know how much stock you can place behind the idea that the investigators GH hired, who did not contact ex-employees competently, found them blameless. The resignation probably speaks for mor…

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Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by bravura »

tptacek wrote: post #53
falcolas wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that the denial is couched in the terminology "there was no legal wrongdoing". Not that there was no wrongdoing, just nothing blatant enough (or which left evidence) that it broke laws.

No, the denial says "no evidence exists to support the claim". That's a direct and testable assertion, not weasel words.

No, the blog post says: "The investigation found no evidence".

Failure to find is distinct from a negative result.

You can't test for failure to find, just as you cannot test for statistical insignificance.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

#199

Post by avenger123 »

We have a process for all this. It's called the legal system.

It's not perfect but it mostly gets the job done.

Has Julie Ann Horvath formally sued Github? It's not clear to me that she has.

It seems that she may have grounds for some kind of lawsuit. Why hasn't she sued the company (if in fact there is no lawsuit)?

This to me is the most important question. At the moment, it seems this is becoming a matter of public opinion.

I would rather it be moved over to the legal system where the rules of engagement are much less malleable.

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