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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

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Post by girvo » Fri, Apr 18, 2014, 11:42 AM UTC

sandGorgon wrote: post #22

leaveyou wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a Unity & Xface (short time) user and honestly I find the latest Unity version to be well suited for my needs&habits but your recommendation made me curios but not curios enough to wipe out my current (fresh) Unity install in order to try out Gnome. I think I checked Gnome some time in the past and it didn't convince me to stay with it. If you would like to enumerate some of the (newer?) differences and strong po…

it's mostly the UX - I really like the way Gnome gets out of your way and still is very, very slick. Plus, if you dont like certain things - you can customize it within seconds using extensions.gnome.org (for example - https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/ ) I think all the design decision by Unity are a bit jarring for me - including all the left-window-close-maximize things. BTW, if you follow my…

I'm totally with you on most of your post... But how is Gedit "heavy"?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

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Post by ohwp » Fri, Apr 18, 2014, 11:42 AM UTC

pan69 wrote: post #7

I just took XUbuntu for a spin. It's just as great as the 13.10 release. If you're a GNOME refugee and looking for an excellent desktop then I can't recommend XUbuntu enough.

And XUbuntu is using almost half of the memory Ubuntu is using.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

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Post by girvo » Fri, Apr 18, 2014, 11:43 AM UTC

NathanOsullivan wrote: post #2

I really don't get the intention with the default visual style Ubuntu has settled on. I'm sure a lot of work has gone into it but it's just not attractive. I previously thought it was growing pains and they would eventually land on a great style that was still "theirs", but at this point it feels like a lost cause. Personally I've stopped recommending Ubuntu on the desktop because I already know what the initial reac…

And I love it, and think it looks fantastic. So, yeah, different strokes?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

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Post by cies » Fri, Apr 18, 2014, 11:47 AM UTC

It seems may use this opportunity to recommend an Ubuntu derivative. I'm very happy with Netrunner-OS[1]. It come with KDE and gets "sane defaults" right. AdBlocker, YT-downloaders, codecs, etc. -- all pre-installed.

And they also gave it some thought to make sure it looks good out of the box.

All Unity-refuge-seeking, but otherwise Ubuntu (Debian++) lovers should have a look at it. :)

1: http://www.netrunner-os.com/

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

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Post by Cameron_D » Fri, Apr 18, 2014, 11:52 AM UTC

shacharz wrote: post #23

Why is the download so slow? Why not add a torrent link?

There are torrent links on the Alternative Downloads page: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

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Post by andrey-p » Fri, Apr 18, 2014, 11:53 AM UTC

sandGorgon wrote: post #15

I really recommend trying out the Ubuntu Gnome flavor [1] - I really like it as being more usable than Unity. Plus https://extensions.gnome.org/ is incredible. P.S. - [2] this is my personal optimization script for a lean and developer friendly Gnome Ubuntu 14.04 install. YMMV. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME [2] https://gist.github.com/sandys/6030823#file-lean_install_ubu...

I've been a staunch Xubuntu user for the past couple of years and I'm completely pleased with my setup, but I'm interested in giving Gnome a try.

The main thing that's holding me back is that my machines aren't massively powerful - do you know if Gnome is as resource-hungry as Unity?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

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Post by vanderZwan » Fri, Apr 18, 2014, 11:59 AM UTC

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #16

vanderZwan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You give zero arguments for what you consider wrong with the visual style of Ubuntu. I'm sure there are flaws that graphic designers and other people trained in the topic can point out, but until you do it's just... yeah, well, like... your opinion man. And the lack of a flat UI does not count as an argument - that's just a fashion trend. Also, my own anecdotal experience does not match yours. I often get surprised (…

Interestingly though, it seems perfectly acceptable on here to express positive feelings about style and esthetics. No one gets downvoted several points below zero for not providing "arguments" for such opinions. It's simply accepted as a matter of taste.

Good point. I think it is because positive opinions without good reasons are perceived as encouragement ("I like what you do, keep going!") instead of criticism, while negative opinions are criticism. The latter requires arguments to be useful as feedback. Of course, saying why you do like something would also make those remarks more valuable as criticism - you got a good point there.

(Note that I'm not saying Nathan Osullivan is necessarily wrong in his judgement - I might disagree with it but he can still have valid reasons for disliking it. It's just that it's pretty a useless remark if he gives no arguments why he has that opinion)

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

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Post by afhdshufdufdo » Fri, Apr 18, 2014, 12:00 PM UTC

ing33k wrote: post #8

Just upgraded from 12.04 LTS to 14.04 . already liking the locally integrated menus.

I would recommend against this for anyone on an older computer. I had been on Lubuntu 12.04, then went through phases where I had various versions Xubuntu and Mint XCFE and ended up back at Lubuntu 12.04 because it is still the fastest drop-in recent distro.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

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Post by afhdshufdufdo » Fri, Apr 18, 2014, 12:02 PM UTC

cies wrote: post #34

It seems may use this opportunity to recommend an Ubuntu derivative. I'm very happy with Netrunner-OS[1]. It come with KDE and gets "sane defaults" right. AdBlocker, YT-downloaders, codecs, etc. -- all pre-installed. And they also gave it some thought to make sure it looks good out of the box. All Unity-refuge-seeking, but otherwise Ubuntu (Debian++) lovers should have a look at it. :) 1: http://www.netrunner-os.com/

#57 today on: http://distrowatch.com/ and stable/not moving up in popularity. Plenty of good other distros to try? If you like KDE, maybe Kubuntu 14.04? The problem with random distros is that unless you are the maintainer, they may not stay up-to-date. How many people are maintaining it and how up-to-speed are they in the overall community to stay atop security?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

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Post by vanderZwan » Fri, Apr 18, 2014, 12:02 PM UTC

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #26

sanswork wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When someone is agreeing you already know what they are looking for as they've expressed it in their agreement. When someone says something is ugly you don't know what they think is ugly about the design so it doesn't provide any thing but a comment.

No, I often don't know what it is that makes people gush about the beauty of multi faceted things like operating systems, gadgets or APIs. But be that as it may, I doubt this is what causes the downvoting. I'm pretty sure a statement like "colors and icons are ugly" would have provoked a similar reaction.

Because that's still not telling us what the problems are, just where to look for them.

Stating something like "X is inconsistent with Y making the whole thing restless and messy, and if they did the font alignment like this the whole thing would have a more orderly clean look" wouldn't have.