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Quantum Entanglement Drives the Arrow of Time

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Re: Quantum Entanglement Drives the Arrow of Time

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The reasoning sounds a bit iffy as in: “Finally, we can understand why a cup of coffee equilibrates in a room,” said Tony Short, a quantum physicist at Bristol. “Entanglement builds up between the state of the coffee cup and the state of the room.” I think you can understand coffee cooling quite well without any quantum stuff - the atoms in the coffee are moving faster than those in the room. There will be a tendency…

I think of the arrow of time like this. We started in an extremely exceptional state of very low entropy. The state space is very high dimensional. Therefore the entropy is much higher, pretty much everywhere we go. In this space we do a random walk. Now, the mystery that remains to be solved is: Why did we start with such an exceptional (low entropy) state?

Because you can't distinguish maximal entropy from minimal entropy in a closed frame of reference.

Re: Quantum Entanglement Drives the Arrow of Time

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I must say, I'm not sure what he even means by this "zero universe" business. Sure, the classical illusion is bust, but the wave function itself, as far as we know, is real, is it not? While we're at throwing quantum explanation links, here is the Quantum Physics Sequence on Lesswrong: http://lesswrong.com/lw/r5/the_quantum_physics_sequence/ I'd say the math is even simpler there, yet the explanation go deeper. It's…

Doesn't it depend on what it means for a theoretical construct to be "real" or not? Isn't "does it work" a better question?

Recently, there was a paper talking about this aspect of quantum theory - http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1111.3328 ... well, it was "recently" and fresh in my mind, but it appears to be back in 2011 :)

Re: Quantum Entanglement Drives the Arrow of Time

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This Google Talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaecUuEqfc uses entanglement and quantum information theory in a clear and understandable way to explain 'spooky' quantum phenomena, like the quantum eraser, de-coherence, the aspect experiment, and the measurement problem. Even if you don't know any QM, just basic algebra and calculus, it's really approachable. I used to be a fan of the Many Worlds interpretation, bu…

I must say, I'm not sure what he even means by this "zero universe" business. Sure, the classical illusion is bust, but the wave function itself, as far as we know, is real, is it not? While we're at throwing quantum explanation links, here is the Quantum Physics Sequence on Lesswrong: http://lesswrong.com/lw/r5/the_quantum_physics_sequence/ I'd say the math is even simpler there, yet the explanation go deeper. It's…

If readers want to dive in and get to the point where "entanglement = time's arrow" becomes evident, the post would be that on "decoherence" [1]

[1] http://lesswrong.com/lw/pp/decoherence/

Re: Quantum Entanglement Drives the Arrow of Time

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I found the article rather confusing: it starts out by saying look, the laws of physics make sense forwards or backwards. But we only see one kind (entropy increasing) of process. Why is that? Entanglement. Is there something about entanglement that is irreversible? As the article says "it is the loss of information through quantum entanglement, rather than a subjective lack of human knowledge, that drives a cup of c…

Perhaps they got lost in their math.

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0507094

Re: Quantum Entanglement Drives the Arrow of Time

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Whether the wave function is real depends on your answer to the question: is momentum real? You can't directly measure or observe momentum, you can't point to it in the world, but you can definitely feel its impact and it's a convenient measure for certain properties of objects. In that sense the wave function is just as real. But you can argue both those things are not as real as e.g. extension, force and energy, wh…

Can't I just weigh Galileo's cannon ball, then based on T from when I dropped it know its momentum? I think the difference comes on moving past the macroscopic world: say I drop a uranium atom into Shroedinger's box - I can't calculate at time T whether the cat is alive.

Yes, you can calculate the momentum it had anywhere along the path while it dropped. Does being able to calculate some property make it real? If I take the square root of the momentum and call it the 'squish' of an object, is my 'squish' property then real?

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I love following article: http://www.flownet.com/ron/QM.pdf It basically shows that observation (measurement) and entanglement are the same things. Think about it: particles are not magically going out of superposition as we observe (measure) them. We (our atoms) become entangled with those particles, we become superposition. It's just propagation of entangled state. Why we don't perceive ourselves as in superpositio…

"Entanglement propagates with speed of light" Hmm, never heard of this one before. "Entanglement" is a mathematical concept, why does it have anything to do with speed of light?

Because particles (or waves) need to be in close spacetime interval to be entangled with each other?

I'm sorry, but I'm programmer, not physician or mathematician, so I can't reliably answer.

Re: Quantum Entanglement Drives the Arrow of Time

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You do not understand. Let me rephrase. You go on a space ship, on your way to the edges of the universe. Your buddy goes on a space ship, on his way to the other side of the universe. You will soon be outside each other's observable universe. Now, if you drop something in your ship (it spins, so you have gravity), you can "reverse time", and pull it back up. Can you do the same to you buddy's ship, should something…

> Maybe, just maybe, you could use the vanishingly small entanglement left with the other Everett Branch to directly communicate with your other self. I'm not even sure it can be done in principle. My understanding is that this would violate a physical law that we still believe to hold. You're right though, that I don't understand. At least I thought I understood your last post. With this one, I don't follow the conn…

Oops, I didn't intent to obscure my meaning.

I was replying mainly to mbq: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7602812 My understanding is, with QM, is is even harder or even impossible to reverse time, even with perfect knowledge of your reachable surroundings.

In a classical universe however, it looks much easier, so in such a universe, the explanation for time is less satisfactory.

Re: Quantum Entanglement Drives the Arrow of Time

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The reasoning sounds a bit iffy as in: “Finally, we can understand why a cup of coffee equilibrates in a room,” said Tony Short, a quantum physicist at Bristol. “Entanglement builds up between the state of the coffee cup and the state of the room.” I think you can understand coffee cooling quite well without any quantum stuff - the atoms in the coffee are moving faster than those in the room. There will be a tendency…

I think the issue is that the quantum stuff is more real than the macroscopic systems.

Sure we can describe coffee cooling without quantum stuff, but the quantum stuff is the only part that is essential. Everything we experience aside from gravity must emerge from the quantum stuff. So the question wouldn't be "do we need the quantum stuff," it would be "do we understand why our macroscopic experience must emerge this way from the quantum stuff?"

I'm certainly no expert but I think the issue is that the rules of quantum mechanics work just as well in either direction of time.

Re: Quantum Entanglement Drives the Arrow of Time

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> The obvious answer in a classical universe is ... Since there is an obvious answer in classical physics, it's a bit disingenuous to claim that this solves a long-standing problem in classical physics, no? > With entanglement and de-coherence however, such reversal becomes impossible even in principle [...] So it does look like a better candidate for the arrow of time. That would be true if you could demonstrate by…

I'm on it. I've placed a broken egg on my table. I'll let you know the results.

It's been 6 days - how's your egg doing?

:)

Re: Quantum Entanglement Drives the Arrow of Time

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That looks interesting. Does one need to have a background in QM before reading this? If yes, what would you suggest as a good read on basics of QM?

Let me double-check it today, but I think that it introduces the basics of QM. You need to know some linear algebra though.

I started reading this, and boy am I loving it - thank you :)
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