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Tell HN: I will build you a working MVP for $2,345

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Re: Tell HN: I will build you a working MVP for $2,345

#63
This is super inspiring and really makes me want to try a similar experiment. I've been wondering how I can make income while doing month long stays in different countries throughout the world, and this seems like it would be about perfect. New country, new project, enough income just to get by. Keeping the price low is not necessarily a mistake. It will allow you to pick from a much large range of products and if you can live for two months on $2000, why not just keep it low. The world doesn't necessarily always have to be profit-maximizing.

P.S. I checked out your essay about the first person view. I think you should watch this video from the BBC. It describes how this first person view that you describe is not actually making the decisions for your body, an MRI machine can predict what decision you will 6-7 seconds before you become conscious of making a particular decision. This doesn't necessarily answer your question, but the video shifts the question from why am I making decisions to why does brain make me think I'm making decisions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6S9OidmNZM#t=303

Re: Tell HN: I will build you a working MVP for $2,345

#64
post #53

My biggest concern with doing something like this would be that you'd burn all your time negotiating - because clients are going to show up with a "3 months to implement" idea, and you're may spend more (unpaid!) time stripping the thing down to a reasonable MVP than actually coding. "We'll agree beforehand on a list of features" has a lot of complexity hidden inside; if a client shows up with an idea "be the next Go…

I know you were joking, but I once had a guy complain about just that. I contributed a (very basic) search feature to some FOSS software and a user complained because it "wasn't as good as Google".

My response was something like "If I could write a search engine as good as Google in my spare time, I'd be living a lifestyle somewhat more luxurious than the one I actually have."

Re: Tell HN: I will build you a working MVP for $2,345

#65
post #55

Thanks for all the helpful advice! Totally didn't expect so much feedback. Question for the more experienced people here: if I changed it to "$2,345 per week, and it'll take 1-3 weeks" instead of "$2,345 for up to 3 weeks," would I lose anyone I shouldn't be losing?

I would suggest $7890 for 3 weeks. Thats still low-balling somebody with your skills, thats about $65 per hour, man.

A better idea is to go with $12345 for 4 weeks.

Re: Tell HN: I will build you a working MVP for $2,345

#66
post #6

I like the idea, but: $2,345 / (40 * 3) = $19.5416666667/hr I guess if you're just starting, that's decent money, but I don't think I could run with the same idea myself. I'd probably need to add a 1 to the front of your number.

To be honest, I said 3 weeks just to be safe (the old rule of doubling what you think you need). The plan was also to work on multiple projects in parallel. You're right though, I am just starting off, and already feel a bit guilty asking for anything north of $5k.

I think your logic is faulty here. There are two reasons to charge more than your inner "imposter syndrome" will let you:

- avoid the arseholes: at 1cent to 50bucks any idiot will spring for the idea and make your life miserable. At 2345, you should be out if their price.

- to fund your own tenure. We work at 19 bucks an hour because the employer just needs our body at a certain location. Not our brain or our lifelong learning. But you need to use those things. Fund them.

Re: Tell HN: I will build you a working MVP for $2,345

#67
How can you commit to a fixed amount to execute on an idea that requires an unknown number of iterations, re-evaluation of initial assumptions, and customer feedback? Maybe this is possible IF your customer is a sensible designer who can iterate in parallel with you and has a realistic sense of what an MVP is and isn't. If your customer is just some schmuck with 2.5 grand to throw around and no product experience, you'll likely find yourself fighting time consuming battles of scope and deliverables. And how can you juggle multiple projects like that simultaneously, when there's unavoidable friction that comes with the context switching? And, how fulfilled will you feel when your day-to-day is filled building things that are bug-laden and just minimally good enough? What kind of portfolio will that generate for you?

Re: Tell HN: I will build you a working MVP for $2,345

#68
post #62

Your fee is too low. It turns out to around 35 000usd per year. Before taxes. Thats probably lower than a cleaning man is selling his time for. Oh well, I guess you get what you pay for. No offense, but seriously.

Hm, I was considering going from "$2,345 for 3 weeks" to "$2,345 per week, up to 3 weeks." But the fee right now isn't as low as it seems; I was planning on taking projects in parallel.

Re: Tell HN: I will build you a working MVP for $2,345

#69

How can you commit to a fixed amount to execute on an idea that requires an unknown number of iterations, re-evaluation of initial assumptions, and customer feedback? Maybe this is possible IF your customer is a sensible designer who can iterate in parallel with you and has a realistic sense of what an MVP is and isn't. If your customer is just some schmuck with 2.5 grand to throw around and no product experience, yo…

I sit down with each person and agree on a specific list of features they want before I get started. I say explicitly on the site that the $2,345 is only for one iteration.

Re: Tell HN: I will build you a working MVP for $2,345

#70

Chris Granger does (did?) offer a similar service[1]. I think his price (5000$) is more sustainable for a developer, but I'm not sure how the market is for this kind of work. Chris, if you are reading this, please share your experience with us. [1] http://iwbyp.chris-granger.com/

I've emailed him about this because I wanted to do something similar.

If I recall correctly, he got more projects than he had time to work on and people didn't care that it was written in Clojure and not Python or Ruby.

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