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It’s Time to Encrypt the Entire Internet

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Re: It’s Time to Encrypt the Entire Internet

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The only problem I see with https everywhere is the current CA system. I don't trust CAs, and I don't want to pay them. If we can get rid of them somehow there is nothing in the way of https everywhere anymore. I really like the http://convergence.io/ approach, but anything else that gets rid of a central authority I have to trust will do for me.

Is convergence still running? I last tried it a couple years ago and the number of authorities dropped to three.

Re: It’s Time to Encrypt the Entire Internet

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I've never heard of them changing or blocking entries. They're on Wikileaks' list of censorship-avoiding DNS servers http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS And Google claims: Google Public DNS does not perform blocking or filtering of any kind. https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/intro?cs...

Not what I had in mind. Ignoring the NXDOMAIN results, what makes you trust the VALUE of the NS/A/AAAA/MX/whatever records you get from Google (or any other resolver)? Because I have frequently seen provably-wrong results from other resolvers, and some highly-suspicious results from 8.8.8.8 on occasion (though I haven't checked particularly often). The point being, unless you're proving the results with DNSSEC (or si…

Is that the sort of thing that could be fixed by running your own DNS resolver? I mean it all comes down to DNSSEC eventually.

Re: It’s Time to Encrypt the Entire Internet

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> Maybe someone will come along and create a super easy to install and low maintenance server platform. There is a developer release available already: https://freedomboxfoundation.org/ All packages are included in Debian Sid.

My mom can't install that herself, and wouldn't be able to find information on how to do it by browsing the freedombox website. It's so obvious that the current freedombox website is targeted at computer geeks only and not general people. It is not 'super easy to install' if it's not granny-proved.

Yes, that's why it's called a 'developer release'

Re: It’s Time to Encrypt the Entire Internet

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The only problem I see with https everywhere is the current CA system. I don't trust CAs, and I don't want to pay them. If we can get rid of them somehow there is nothing in the way of https everywhere anymore. I really like the http://convergence.io/ approach, but anything else that gets rid of a central authority I have to trust will do for me.

Is convergence still running? I last tried it a couple years ago and the number of authorities dropped to three.

Some say it's not dead¹. But it doesn't seem to have any traction, which is a shame.

Perspectives is a similar project and seems more alive with a release in February: http://perspectives-project.org/2014/02/15/perspectives-4-4-...

¹https://twitter.com/ivanristic/status/400624593515192320

Re: It’s Time to Encrypt the Entire Internet

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Not what I had in mind. Ignoring the NXDOMAIN results, what makes you trust the VALUE of the NS/A/AAAA/MX/whatever records you get from Google (or any other resolver)? Because I have frequently seen provably-wrong results from other resolvers, and some highly-suspicious results from 8.8.8.8 on occasion (though I haven't checked particularly often). The point being, unless you're proving the results with DNSSEC (or si…

Is that the sort of thing that could be fixed by running your own DNS resolver? I mean it all comes down to DNSSEC eventually.

You can limit some of the simple abuses by resolving DNS yourself, but DNSSEC (or other crypo-auth system) is best, of course.

I use and recommend doing both, as there's very little downside to running your own resolver.

Re: It’s Time to Encrypt the Entire Internet

#87

Encrypting the internet is not enough if a few companies have unlimited resources and the freedom to figure out how to break the encryption (legally). *Edited for clarity

Ah, the old "we can't stop everything so why bother trying" attack. (There's a better name for it but I cannot remember it)

But a few points:

- No company has unlimited resources. The universe doesn't have unlimited resources, AFAWK. - Even quantum computers can only take the square root of the complexity of many algorithms (Shor's algorithm). - Even if a company can, with concentrated effort, break the encryption used, it prevents (or at least drastically limits) mass surveillance. (If it costs your company a cent to decrypt a transmission, you'll decrypt a whole lot more than if it costs a million dollars per.)

Re: It’s Time to Encrypt the Entire Internet

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It's time to decentralize the internet. There is no good reason why we can't have email, webpages, photos, even facebook-like social stuff housed on our own machines in our own homes (or some other place under our control). The current situation is akin to having to travel to some centralized letter-reading facility in order to read letter mail. Your grandma sends you a letter in the mail and you have to go to a cent…

Decentralizing sounds a lot like a peer-to-peer based web. Doesn't this already exist through the tor network and the onion browser?

Re: It’s Time to Encrypt the Entire Internet

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> It's time to decentralize the internet. There is no good reason why we can't have email, webpages, photos, even facebook-like social stuff housed on our own machines in our own homes (or some other place under our control). This is how the internet is designed, and you can already do this today. In my case, I host my own dns, email, and my own webpages, locally on my home connection. You just have to be willing to…

> and you can already do this today. Well many can, but far from all in the context of hosting from home. If you are stuck behind NAT at home then you can't without paying for server resource externally and that is going to be more of a problem over the coming years as IPv4 increasingly becomes a problem and IPv6 (despite recent acceleration) taking a fair long time to become ubiquitous. > In my case, I host my own d…

> If you are stuck behind NAT at home then you can't without paying for server resource externally

Actually, no. I run NAT on my firewall/router, and still host the services. It just takes tweaking the Linux iptables rules to run externally visible services, while still running NAT in general. Again, a "knowledge" and/or "convenience" issue, but not a technical issue.

> What do you do for secondary DNS?

I use Afraid.org for secondary DNS, but if my home link is down (hasn't happened yet...) then the service (email/web) is also down so I'm just "offline" until the link comes back up.

Re: It’s Time to Encrypt the Entire Internet

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> It's time to decentralize the internet. There is no good reason why we can't have email, webpages, photos, even facebook-like social stuff housed on our own machines in our own homes (or some other place under our control). I think there is a good reason. Who wants to spend the time setting up and running a server? I happen to run my own, but it is definitely not something I would recommend to my friends and family…

Plus, what happens when the power goes out and now I can't receive email?

If your power at home has gone out, then very likely one of these two items is also "off":

  1) your internet connection endpoint
  2) your wireless router
At which point you could not read any of the emails that an external "service" might receive for you anyway.

Plus, as another poster already stated, email servers retry several times to deliver a message (as required by the spec), so the email just waits in the senders queue until your power is back, and then arrives, a few hours late.

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