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Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month

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Post by dazig »

npizzolato wrote: post #66
dazig wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't care about interpretations. I care about what is actually written. The phrasing gives them complete control. Royalty-free does not just mean they only have to go through "authorized clients". It means, someone could upload tracks they are recording for an album...then the "Company" could decide to publish it without paying any royalties. The restriction line also doesn't apply at all. You simply start an affi…

From the second paragraph you posted, if they created a compnay that does music promotion, it seems like you could delete your files off Streem and they would no longer have the rights to do anything besides store it. In fact, storage seems to be the only right you can't revoke. Isn't this the same for a ton of other companies that allow you to upload content (i.e. doesn't Facebook get to keep your data even when you…

Or, they could simply put in their terms their interpretation and I wouldn't have a problem. But they didn't. They selected to give themselves full control (even after deleting).

Also, you may want to read that last TOS paragraph closer, especially the part about how they aren't relinquishing control of your data or their ability to copy/distribute it. You only read the first part of it, but ignored completely "The above licenses granted by you in User Content for which the Service does not provide you a means to delete or remove are perpetual and irrevocable."

So, what that actually means is, the entire part before is moot, if Streem isn't giving you access to REMOVE stuff. Which in the previous paragraph of the TOS, they say they don't have to (and won't give you access to REMOVE data). They may let you delete it, but not remove it. Legal stuff is fun to parse and written like this so they have loopholes.

How they behave and act according to their TOS is complete speculation at this point. My concerns are that their TOS is giving them the keys to the kingdom and asking me to trust them. If they only wanted these permissions to stream it, then say that. If they want permissions to transcode it, then say that. If it is just for their use, then don't say they can give other companies access/permissions to it.

Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ritikm wrote: post #57
dazig wrote: post #53

You should really avoid using this service. The terms are really scary. You should read them before using them for anything. They basically take over the rights of anything you put up there and may use them in any way they want. Upload your home movie? They can use it for ads, selling it to 3rd parties, use your audio for a new product or anything else they can imagine. The "best" part is, they provide you no way to…

Here's a breakdown of what each of these things mean: royalty-free : Streem doesn't have to pay the user to display the content they upload back to them from our authorized clients (web, desktop, mobile). perpetual : The right to display the content doesn't expire after some time, unless the account is closed and data is deleted as described in the second paragraph. irrevocable : Once the user uploads content, they c…

Reddit is a bit of a different situation when it comes to 'irrevocable', reddit posts are very public. This line in the Streem license is scary:

"The above licenses granted by you in User Content for which the Service does not provide you a means to delete or remove are perpetual and irrevocable."

When is the service not going to provide a means to delete, and why? On top of that even when I can delete items there is explicitly no obligation to ever remove it from the server, only to make it unavailable.

Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ritikm wrote: post #34
foobarqux wrote: post #32

How is this different/better than streamnation.com?

- Native desktop filesystem integration. We don't make you go to a website to access your content; everything is accessible as a regular file in Explorer/Finder and opens/plays in your native player (i.e. VLC). - Instant adaptive bitrate transcoding. Videos you upload to Streem play instantly on any device, regardless of bandwidth (slow connections automatically get a lower quality; if your connection gets better, we…

Illegal? If VCR and cloud DVR are legal I would expect a personal youtube recorder's legality to be murky but probably acceptable.

Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month

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Post by ritikm »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #73
ritikm wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Native desktop filesystem integration. We don't make you go to a website to access your content; everything is accessible as a regular file in Explorer/Finder and opens/plays in your native player (i.e. VLC). - Instant adaptive bitrate transcoding. Videos you upload to Streem play instantly on any device, regardless of bandwidth (slow connections automatically get a lower quality; if your connection gets better, we…

Illegal? If VCR and cloud DVR are legal I would expect a personal youtube recorder's legality to be murky but probably acceptable.

Sorry, bad choice of words. It's against YouTube's TOS, and there have been quite a few YouTube-scraping sites that have been taken down by YouTube/their legal team in the past, so there's precedent for Streamnation to go under the same way.

Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month

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Post by ritikm »

wmf wrote: post #64
ritikm wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a breakdown of what each of these things mean: royalty-free : Streem doesn't have to pay the user to display the content they upload back to them from our authorized clients (web, desktop, mobile). perpetual : The right to display the content doesn't expire after some time, unless the account is closed and data is deleted as described in the second paragraph. irrevocable : Once the user uploads content, they c…

It sounds like you acknowledge that your TOS is scary and you know how other companies have fixed this problem but you refuse to do it. Why?

It's definitely on our list of things to do before our full open launch. Sorry for not being on top of this sooner; we'll get this fixed ASAP.

Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month

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Post by ghshephard »

kijin wrote: post #69
ghshephard wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why Backblaze's unlimited backups aren't as much of a problem for me, is I have no desire for more than about 12 Terabytes of backups. So, as long as Backblaze's definition of "Unlimited" is 12 terabytes or less (and, based on their performance with me the last couple years, they are) - we are good to go. But, I'm pretty certain if I tried to backup a 200 TByte iSCSI array (which appears as a "local drive"…

Since there is no such thing as unlimited anything in this universe, it would be unreasonable to assume that "unlimited" is anything but an exaggeration. Then we enter the same territory as any other case where technically incorrect claims are used in the media. Like GB vs. GiB, or "hacker" vs. "cracker", or "hashing" vs. "encryption", you name it. When we nerds complain about people who fail to make such distinction…

You've come to the crux of the matter - but I think this is a battle we can win.

I was recently in BC, Canada, and I was purchasing a SIM for data use, and was told that it was, "Unlimited for 3 days". When I asked them "How much is unlimited" - I expected to have to dance back and forth a bit before getting an answer, but the sales rep instantly said, "4 gigabytes."

I then noticed on the brochure that I got from them, that the plan clearly was listed as, "Unlimited data over three days up to 4 gigabytes"

I guess that could be considered winning half the battle.

Even better, though, is Singapore - where there is no concept of "Unlimited" with Singtel - word never appears anywhere. You purchase data packages with very clearly listed time and data amounts. And, if say, you want to use 100 GB - then you go purchase 14 GB for S$25, 4 times. Couldn't be more straightforward.

Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month

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Post by ksec »

It was only recently i had the pain of looking for a Cloud Storage solution and none of them seems to fit my needs / taste / price.

Yes. Whenever i see unlimited i dont even look further into it. Well unless they are from big companies like Microsoft or Google which could actually afford to do it. Otherwise they dont have a viable business model. And i am weary of that.

I dont (quite) trust Google. And Client of Google Drive just somehow doesn't really suit my taste either. Skydrive is expensive. Dropbox client is the best, but i cant bring to myself to pay 5 times the price. Hubic has crap interface. I am looking at MediaFire and Bitcasa, but both previously had some bad reputation with it. Copy from Barracuda looks like best candidate at the moment.

I have my own NAS at home. 2x2TB Synology. But I know my home's power delivery quality isn't that great. Power Surge and Lighting are things that could easily destroy your NAS or Data even i have Raid 1 with another external backup. Having something in the cloud just removes the hassle of doing it yourself.

I have been dreaming lately of a NAS that does it with Backup in the Cloud in one go. And i just pay an initial fees with a monthly fees. Hoping Apple would do one. But since margin is so low i guess they are not interested.

Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month

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Post by obliojoe »

jasondc wrote: post #15
ecesena wrote: post #9

I have some concerns on the 2 sentences (from their website): - "We've developed proprietary de-duplication and compression technology to be able to give you unlimited storage" - "Your files are encrypted with AES-256 bit encryption" I'd prefer to know that my data is not encrypted, rather than reading marketing sentences that have none or obscure meaning when read together.

I wonder if the compression technology is as good as Pied Piper's.

Yep. First thing I thought when I read that.
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