Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month
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#52Can you explain how this is better than - for example - Google Drive with their 1TB for $10?
- No sync required + native integration into Finder/Explorer. With Google Drive you have to sync (i.e. store locally) to open files with your native app like VLC, or you have to view them on the web if you don't store them locally, which is a hassle for the average joe, and a deal-breaker for the media enthusiasts/XBMC/Plex-ers.
- HLS adaptive bitrate streaming. Google Drive limits the quality, whereas we'll fluctuate the quality of the video based on your bandwidth.
Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month
#53"By posting any User Content on the Service, you expressly grant, and you represent and warrant that you have all rights necessary to grant, to Company a royalty-free, transferable, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, worldwide license to use, reproduce, modify, publish, list information regarding, edit, translate, distribute, syndicate, publicly perform, publicly display, and make derivative works of all such User Content and your name, voice, and/or likeness as contained in your User Content, in whole or in part, and in any form, media or technology, whether now known or hereafter developed, for use in connection with the Service and Company’s (and its successors’ and affiliates’) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the Service (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. You also hereby grant each User of the Service a non-exclusive license to access your User Content through the Service, and to use, reproduce, distribute, display and perform such User Content as permitted through the functionality of the Service and under this Agreement."
"If the features of the Service allow you to remove or delete User Content from the Service, the above licenses granted by you in your User Content terminate within a commercially reasonable time after you remove or delete such User Content from the Service. You understand and agree, however, that Company may retain, but not display, distribute, or perform, server copies of User Content that have been removed or deleted. The above licenses granted by you in User Content for which the Service does not provide you a means to delete or remove are perpetual and irrevocable."
Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month
#54The instant I see the word "Unlimited" - I don't even bother to investigate further, as the project is either (A) Lying, (B) Unsustainable, (C) Rate limiting or otherwise bottlenecking you so you can't really use the service effectively. I've seen dozens (maybe more) references to the "Unlimited" service, and with only a few exceptions, they always fall into one of those categories. I'm wondering when other people co…
Lots of companies already offer several hundred GB of storage and sharing at the $20/mo price point, and there are backup services like Backblaze that offer "unlimited" backup space for $5/mo without going out of business. So the monthly fee is enough to cover the storage and bandwidth that most users are realistically ever going to use. And when you have a lot of users, the average is the only thing that matters. If you use 1PB, you're being subsidized, not by the company but by a thousand low-utilization users.
In addition, they're probably betting on the price of storage to go down roughly in proportion to the gradual increase of average utilization over time. Actually, this is a relatively safe bet. 6TB drives now occupy the price point that 4TB drives used to occupy, which in turn can now be had for what 2TB drives cost a few years ago. With SMR & HAMR on the horizon and with neat tricks like stuffing 7 platters in a single drive filled with helium, this trend is likely to continue for quite a while (unless the Thai factories get flooded again).
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since there's no way to globally "publish" a file, I don't see how DMCA takedowns could work.
Hence why in my hypothetical it would take the copyright holder themselves to both upload the file as well as issue the DMCA takedown.
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#56Does anyone actually have experience with this? It sounds like one of those "there has to be a catch" type services. Any limits on filetypes? Is there a max size per file? How is the network speed? Do they fire any customers who use too much storage space and/or bandwidth? What is stopping my company from encrypting our database backups and uploading them to Streem nightly for permanent storage at a fraction of the p…
Perhaps this is the start of a massive stock photo/video company?
[0] https://www.streem.com/terms
Edit: Or even if it's not the start of such a company, it would look awfully tempting for a company in that space to acquire. Having thousands of terabytes of media data, and the rights to modify and distribute it, can be very valuable.
Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month
#57You should really avoid using this service. The terms are really scary. You should read them before using them for anything. They basically take over the rights of anything you put up there and may use them in any way they want. Upload your home movie? They can use it for ads, selling it to 3rd parties, use your audio for a new product or anything else they can imagine. The "best" part is, they provide you no way to…
royalty-free: Streem doesn't have to pay the user to display the content they upload back to them from our authorized clients (web, desktop, mobile).
perpetual: The right to display the content doesn't expire after some time, unless the account is closed and data is deleted as described in the second paragraph.
irrevocable: Once the user uploads content, they can't tell Streem that they take back the right to display the content, except by deleting the content, which is covered in the second paragraph.
non-exclusive: This is there for the user's benefit. It means that the user retains the right to the content they uploaded, and we don't take exclusive rights on displaying it back to them. So they have full rights to upload/store/do whatever with it elsewhere.
worldwide: These rights are not restricted to a specific country/zone, like the US, because our service operates and displays content around the world.
publicly perform, publicly display: Users can generate public links to their files, so we have to cover the case where they post it publicly and let their content be publicly displayed via the link they created. Publicly display covers still work like images; publicly perform covers "moving" work like music and videos.
derivative works, copies: Gives Streem access to make thumbnails/cover arts (derivative work) and copies of the data (redundant storage).
authorizing others to do so: Lets Streem pass the content through different layers and service providers during the upload, processing, and when data is requested. For example, Streem has to pass the content through a CDN when the user accesses it, which this gives us the right to do.
The main thing that prevents Streem from abusing these policies is the "for use in connection with the Service and Company’s (and its successors’ and affiliates’) business" line. This ensures that we can only operate on the data to provide our service to the user when they authorize us to do so (i.e. if they click the "Share" button, they authorize us to operate on the file to enable it for sharing), and not for something like advertising the user's content to generate money since they haven't authorized us to do that (we'd have to add an opt-in "Advertise this for me" button or add it in to the TOS and appropriately notify everyone if we wanted to be malicious like that, which would be ridiculous for us).
Other cloud storage companies also have very similar TOS's, although they're more colloquial in their wording, so they may be easier to understand, but no different in the rights they're asking for.
If you want a more credible source, take a look at Yishan Wong's (CEO of Reddit) post: http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/1sndxe/weve_rewritten_...
Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month
#58I have some concerns on the 2 sentences (from their website): - "We've developed proprietary de-duplication and compression technology to be able to give you unlimited storage" - "Your files are encrypted with AES-256 bit encryption" I'd prefer to know that my data is not encrypted, rather than reading marketing sentences that have none or obscure meaning when read together.
Happy to clarify. We use convergent encryption ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_encryption ), which works with our de-duplication. Example: You and I both have a file A. Our software encrypts that file A with a unique key generated from the file (say, the MD5 hash of the file), which makes E(A). Every user that uploads file A will generate the same encrypted version E(A) because the encryption key will be th…
Will you consider stronger encryption (of course as a premium service)?
Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month
#59I have some concerns on the 2 sentences (from their website): - "We've developed proprietary de-duplication and compression technology to be able to give you unlimited storage" - "Your files are encrypted with AES-256 bit encryption" I'd prefer to know that my data is not encrypted, rather than reading marketing sentences that have none or obscure meaning when read together.
Actually, you can use convergent encryption to dedup encrypted files. It leaks information (because I can tell whether a file that I possess already exists on the server if the server is silly enough to tell me that it took no space/time) but it is indeed encrypted. Check out this discussion of Mega for more info: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5072680
Re: Streem (YC S12) Offers Unlimited Cloud Storage and Streaming for $20/Month
#60Does anyone actually have experience with this? It sounds like one of those "there has to be a catch" type services. Any limits on filetypes? Is there a max size per file? How is the network speed? Do they fire any customers who use too much storage space and/or bandwidth? What is stopping my company from encrypting our database backups and uploading them to Streem nightly for permanent storage at a fraction of the p…
It sounds like the catch is that you grant them "a royalty-free, transferable, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, worldwide license to use, reproduce, modify, publish, list information regarding, edit, translate, distribute, syndicate, publicly perform, publicly display, and make derivative works of all such User Content"[0]. Perhaps this is the start of a massive stock photo/video company? [0] https://www.streem…