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Google's Street View computer vision can beat reCAPTCHA with 99% accuracy

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Re: Google's Street View computer vision can beat reCAPTCHA with 99% accuracy

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I've always felt that it would be only a matter of time before computer vision would be able to solve the (re)CAPTCHA problem. Especially since digit classifiers are able to match the performance of humans.

One approach that I enjoyed seeing was the use of reverse captchas. Here you pose a problem that a computer can easily solve, but a human cannot. For instance, if you ask a simple question (1+1=?), but you place the question box off the screen so the user can't see it. A computer would be able to easily answer the question, but a human user would have no way of doing so.

Re: Google's Street View computer vision can beat reCAPTCHA with 99% accuracy

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This particular issue (AI performance on captchas) is really quite fascinating. It's an arms race, but the problem is, only one side can win. Google is claiming they have improved their system in some (understandably) unspecified way, but there's only so far this can go. Captchas need to detect whether someone is human, but it has to work for everyone, ideally, even those with disabilities. Any simple task a human ca…

> It's an arms race, but the problem is, only one side can win. I don't disagree, but although this specific problem can be automated, the arms race will continue as newer problems (requiring uniquely human intelligence) are presented. We can keep moving the bar until the singularity. For example, a captcha: "Pick the most unsafe environment", followed by pictures of a house, a park, a volcano, a bed. To solve this,…

That runs into the scalability problem that I mentioned--someone (say, a Mechanical Turk user) can solve that problem once, and put it in a database. To avoid this, there needs to be a way to generate them cheaply, so you pretty much need a computer that can solve the problem in the first place.

Basically, my point is that there's no such thing as "uniquely human intelligence". There's lots of problems that fall into that category now, but with the continuing rise of computational power, it's getting harder and harder to find new problems of this sort without excluding a lot of real people.

Re: Google's Street View computer vision can beat reCAPTCHA with 99% accuracy

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post #45

This particular issue (AI performance on captchas) is really quite fascinating. It's an arms race, but the problem is, only one side can win. Google is claiming they have improved their system in some (understandably) unspecified way, but there's only so far this can go. Captchas need to detect whether someone is human, but it has to work for everyone, ideally, even those with disabilities. Any simple task a human ca…

Ask for x BTC on signup, on the promise that it is returned in y weeks. I was going to propose that it's only returned on good behavior, but that gives sites an incentives to harshly police their new user population. Ideally you'd have some sort of service that both parties trust that is holding the BTC.

And then anyone who doesn't have extra resources is prevented from using your service... As if it is a trivial amount, spammers will pay it, and if it is non-trivial, then some people won't be able to afford it. Doesn't seem like a great idea.

Re: Google's Street View computer vision can beat reCAPTCHA with 99% accuracy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The endgame solution is to let humans judge other humans. In 5 years, you will be interrogated every time you post to HN. The machines are here to make our lives hell...

The question is: does it matter whether the participants are human if they are intelligent enough to contribute. I think we'll eventually end up in situation where captchas actually filter out humans :)

Yeah, I've had that weird experience of spambots taking text excerpts and posting it to avoid detection, but it's actually relevant information...

Re: Google's Street View computer vision can beat reCAPTCHA with 99% accuracy

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post #45

This particular issue (AI performance on captchas) is really quite fascinating. It's an arms race, but the problem is, only one side can win. Google is claiming they have improved their system in some (understandably) unspecified way, but there's only so far this can go. Captchas need to detect whether someone is human, but it has to work for everyone, ideally, even those with disabilities. Any simple task a human ca…

I can not remember the name of the paper, but researchers have recently discovered that neural networks can fairly easily be disrupted by carefully perturbing the pixels in incredibly slight amounts. Completely invisible to a human, but can ruin the ability of neural networks to classify it.

Re: Google's Street View computer vision can beat reCAPTCHA with 99% accuracy

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In effect, Google computer vision got so good that they made their own system obsolete. This is a good thing. I still think the only reliable way to confirm identity (or humanity) online is an email or SMS verification. Recently, receiving a 2-factor SMS code took less time than the page refresh prompting me to enter it.

Provide incentive to hack phones, discriminate against people who don't have phones or want to create new accounts.

Re: Google's Street View computer vision can beat reCAPTCHA with 99% accuracy

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post #76
post #45

This particular issue (AI performance on captchas) is really quite fascinating. It's an arms race, but the problem is, only one side can win. Google is claiming they have improved their system in some (understandably) unspecified way, but there's only so far this can go. Captchas need to detect whether someone is human, but it has to work for everyone, ideally, even those with disabilities. Any simple task a human ca…

> It's an arms race, but the problem is, only one side can win. I don't disagree, but although this specific problem can be automated, the arms race will continue as newer problems (requiring uniquely human intelligence) are presented. We can keep moving the bar until the singularity. For example, a captcha: "Pick the most unsafe environment", followed by pictures of a house, a park, a volcano, a bed. To solve this,…

Or, you could use xkcd's idea: http://xkcd.com/810
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